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2000-10-27 19:12Soel Griffin [idm] Labels/labelhopping
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├─ 2000-10-27 20:47%andrew Re: [idm] Labels/labelhopping
└─ 2000-10-28 00:23mantra RE: [idm] Labels/labelhopping
2000-10-27 21:51%andrew Re: [idm] Labels/labelhopping
2000-10-27 23:38steve Re: [idm] Labels/labelhopping
└─ 2000-10-28 00:58Jeff Waye Re: [idm] Labels/labelhopping
2000-10-28 17:50Soel Griffin Re: [idm] Labels/labelhopping
2000-10-28 22:46Luther van Dross [idm] labels/labelhopping
2000-10-30 13:08Iris Garrelfs [idm] RE: labels/labelhopping
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2000-10-27 19:12Soel GriffinRecently, it seems that everybody(not just in the idm world, either)thinks it's a good ide
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Recently, it seems that everybody(not just in the idm world, either)thinks it's a good idea to start a label. Why? There seems to be no real diversity between most of these new labels. Their compilations are all starting to look the same(with many artists who aren't even on the label,except for their track on said comp.) Imo, it's just not good for this "scene."(that's what it is; we are on the idm list after all.) Maybe someone can enlighten me... Soel. ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-27 20:39n5MDAt 03:12 PM 10/27/00 -0400, Soel Griffin wrote: >Recently, it seems that everybody(not jus
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At 03:12 PM 10/27/00 -0400, Soel Griffin wrote:
quoted 10 lines Recently, it seems that everybody(not just in the idm world, either)thinks>Recently, it seems that everybody(not just in the idm world, either)thinks >it's a good idea to start a label. Why? There seems to be no real diversity >between most of these new labels. Their compilations are all starting to >look the same(with many artists who aren't even on the label,except for >their track on said comp.) Imo, it's just not good for this "scene."(that's >what it is; we are on the idm list after all.) Maybe someone can enlighten >me... > >Soel. >
Being one of those upstart labels your talking about I can give you a simple answer from my perspective. Did you stop to think that maybe people like myself love the music and that's why they start a label. Why is it "not good for (the) scene" to try and find (and promote) new artists? What do you suggest? we just wait for warp and ninjatune to find new artist for us to listen to? mabye i'm missing your point but one day you'll wish there where more upstarts around. -c n5MD ----------------------- 4096 Piedmont Ave #551 Oakland CA 94611-5221 ----------------------- www.n5md.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-27 20:47%andrewwww.eupholus.com "Eupholus Records: Better than the Second Coming of Jesus Christ" I think
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www.eupholus.com "Eupholus Records: Better than the Second Coming of Jesus Christ" I think that our label solves all the problems in the IDM scene and promotes love/unity/intelligence through it's releases. -andrew <Someone said something along these lines...>
quoted 19 lines Recently, it seems that everybody(not just in the idm world, either)thinks> Recently, it seems that everybody(not just in the idm world, either)thinks > it's a good idea to start a label. Why? There seems to be no real diversity > between most of these new labels. Their compilations are all starting to > look the same(with many artists who aren't even on the label,except for > their track on said comp.) Imo, it's just not good for this "scene."(that's > what it is; we are on the idm list after all.) Maybe someone can enlighten > me... > > Soel. > > > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
-- andrew smith is white rabbits. http://www.konfused.net/~asmith/ Eupholus Records: (217)353-5188 http://www.eupholus.net/ "The stupider it looks, the more important it probably is..." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-28 00:23mantraThat's actually a damn fine question and its been running through my mind since the day of
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That's actually a damn fine question and its been running through my mind since the day of neferiu's creation over a year ago - what the hell is it that im trying to do? As far as what ive been able to learn, its been to bring out something new. With so much out there and so much left undiscovered, the ultimate goal, for at least neferiu, is to open the eyes of both the hardcore enthusiasts of this music and of the average joe. So many of these newer labels tend to make themselves sound like they cater to the elite. Like only those with this divine knowledge will understand the truth that they have to bring to the universe. I think its just self-righteous bullshit, because there is no entire knowledge of any particular style or genre... Each artist, whether they bring one track to a label, or a fucking box set, was selected because they righteously represent that labels vision towards the true definition of what this music is and what it is meant to be. I agree entirely with what you say with labels becoming a dime a dozen and the inconsistencies with artists/compilations, but I mean the whole idea in itself is growing so rapidly, I think the concept of a label is actually being redefined. There's a lot of fear in the whole thing because electronic music moves so rapidly that its hard to plan success or failure on anything put out.. Perhaps its just the label sticking to a tried and true method, as they're afraid of adapting or defining new grounds. And I suppose when it comes to what i get out of it or what keeps me devoted - is that im learning shit constantly. Like im in a school of my own creation. With fucking expensive tuition.. ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ n a t e . s c h m o l d n e f e r i u . r e c o r d s w w w . n e f e r i u . c o m 4 0 3 . 2 6 5 . 2 6 2 3 -----Original Message----- From: Soel Griffin [mailto:xnoybis@priest.com] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 1:13 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] Labels/labelhopping Recently, it seems that everybody(not just in the idm world, either)thinks it's a good idea to start a label. Why? There seems to be no real diversity between most of these new labels. Their compilations are all starting to look the same(with many artists who aren't even on the label,except for their track on said comp.) Imo, it's just not good for this "scene."(that's what it is; we are on the idm list after all.) Maybe someone can enlighten me... Soel. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-27 21:51%andrewoops! it's www.eupholus.net <Someone said something along these lines...> > Yo- > > you're
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oops! it's www.eupholus.net <Someone said something along these lines...>
quoted 62 lines Yo-> Yo- > > you're link doesn't work :( > > Rob > www.componentrecords.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: %andrew <asmith@konfused.net> > To: Soel Griffin <xnoybis@priest.com> > Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 4:47 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] Labels/labelhopping > > > > > > www.eupholus.com > > > > "Eupholus Records: Better than the Second Coming of Jesus Christ" > > > > I think that our label solves all the problems in the IDM scene and > > promotes love/unity/intelligence through it's releases. > > > > -andrew > > > > <Someone said something along these lines...> > > > > > Recently, it seems that everybody(not just in the idm world, either)thinks > > > it's a good idea to start a label. Why? There seems to be no real diversity > > > between most of these new labels. Their compilations are all starting to > > > look the same(with many artists who aren't even on the label,except for > > > their track on said comp.) Imo, it's just not good for this "scene."(that's > > > what it is; we are on the idm list after all.) Maybe someone can enlighten > > > me... > > > > > > Soel. > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > > > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > -- > > andrew smith is white rabbits. > > http://www.konfused.net/~asmith/ > > > > Eupholus Records: (217)353-5188 > > http://www.eupholus.net/ > > > > "The stupider it looks, the more important it probably is..." > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >
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2000-10-27 23:38steve> At 03:12 PM 10/27/00 -0400, Soel Griffin wrote: >>Recently, it seems that everybody(not
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quoted 23 lines At 03:12 PM 10/27/00 -0400, Soel Griffin wrote:> At 03:12 PM 10/27/00 -0400, Soel Griffin wrote: >>Recently, it seems that everybody(not just in the idm world, either)thinks >>it's a good idea to start a label. Why? There seems to be no real diversity >>between most of these new labels. Their compilations are all starting to >>look the same(with many artists who aren't even on the label,except for >>their track on said comp.) Imo, it's just not good for this "scene."(that's >>what it is; we are on the idm list after all.) Maybe someone can enlighten >>me... >> >>Soel. >> > > > Being one of those upstart labels your talking about I can give you a > simple answer from my perspective. Did you stop to think that maybe people > like myself love the music and that's why they start a label. Why is it > "not good for (the) scene" to try and find (and promote) new artists? What > do you suggest? > we just wait for warp and ninjatune to find new artist for us to listen to? > mabye i'm missing your point but one day you'll wish there where more > upstarts around. > > -c
Not to mention that many many people start labels to put out their own stuff. Then it just kind of grows. I'm sure this is the case with a lot of bands/artists. Not that I'm a fan but that's what ani de franco did and she sold a crap load of records and has a successful label and lot's of majors kicking themselve swishing they signed her.... steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-28 00:58Jeff WayeI started up Ninja Tune over here because I thought it would mean limos and lots of drugs
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I started up Ninja Tune over here because I thought it would mean limos and lots of drugs and sex and instead all I got was grey hairs and complete social retardation...but I fucking love it. I think it's great that people start labels. Just do it becuase you dig the tunes, don't ever do it with the intention that it's going to pay the bills. "we just wait for warp and ninjatune to find new artist for us to listen to?" exactly...hell no. If you're sitting on something great, put it out. Hey I only got $4000 in debt on my first label (Discreet/Indiscreet) and we managed to put out 7 records and have a good laugh. Small price to pay for the experience that it gained me and my partner at the time. Now I'm running Ninja and he's got a boss record store and distributor. Jeff on 10/27/00 6:38 PM, steve at saw123@ixpres.com wrote:
quoted 25 lines At 03:12 PM 10/27/00 -0400, Soel Griffin wrote:> >> At 03:12 PM 10/27/00 -0400, Soel Griffin wrote: >>> Recently, it seems that everybody(not just in the idm world, either)thinks >>> it's a good idea to start a label. Why? There seems to be no real diversity >>> between most of these new labels. Their compilations are all starting to >>> look the same(with many artists who aren't even on the label,except for >>> their track on said comp.) Imo, it's just not good for this "scene."(that's >>> what it is; we are on the idm list after all.) Maybe someone can enlighten >>> me... >>> >>> Soel. >>> >> >> >> Being one of those upstart labels your talking about I can give you a >> simple answer from my perspective. Did you stop to think that maybe people >> like myself love the music and that's why they start a label. Why is it >> "not good for (the) scene" to try and find (and promote) new artists? What >> do you suggest? >> we just wait for warp and ninjatune to find new artist for us to listen to? >> mabye i'm missing your point but one day you'll wish there where more >> upstarts around. >> >> -c >
quoted 13 lines Not to mention that many many people start labels to put out their own> Not to mention that many many people start labels to put out their own > stuff. Then it just kind of grows. I'm sure this is the case with a lot of > bands/artists. Not that I'm a fan but that's what ani de franco did and she > sold a crap load of records and has a successful label and lot's of majors > kicking themselve swishing they signed her.... > > steve > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2000-10-28 17:50Soel GriffinI totally agree with those who start their own labels to release their own projects or to
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I totally agree with those who start their own labels to release their own projects or to promote new ones, but many of these new labels seem to be trying to release cds by already established artists. Another question I have for the artists themselves: why not stay on one label for awhile? Just think of how many artists only record one disc for a label. What label do you run? Soel. From: n5MD <n5md@wenet.net> To: Soel Griffin <xnoybis@priest.com>, idm@hyperreal.org Sent: October 27, 2000 8:39:43 PM GMT Subject: Re: [idm] Labels/labelhopping At 03:12 PM 10/27/00 -0400, Soel Griffin wrote:
quoted 10 lines Recently, it seems that everybody(not just in the idm world, either)thinks>Recently, it seems that everybody(not just in the idm world, either)thinks >it's a good idea to start a label. Why? There seems to be no real diversity >between most of these new labels. Their compilations are all starting to >look the same(with many artists who aren't even on the label,except for >their track on said comp.) Imo, it's just not good for this "scene."(that's >what it is; we are on the idm list after all.) Maybe someone can enlighten >me... > >Soel. >
Being one of those upstart labels your talking about I can give you a simple answer from my perspective. Did you stop to think that maybe people like myself love the music and that's why they start a label. Why is it "not good for (the) scene" to try and find (and promote) new artists? What do you suggest? we just wait for warp and ninjatune to find new artist for us to listen to? mabye i'm missing your point but one day you'll wish there where more upstarts around. -c n5MD ----------------------- 4096 Piedmont Ave #551 Oakland CA 94611-5221 ----------------------- www.n5md.com ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-28 22:46Luther van Dross> I totally agree with those who start their own labels to release their > own > projects
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quoted 12 lines I totally agree with those who start their own labels to release their> I totally agree with those who start their own labels to release their > own > projects or to promote new ones, but many of these new labels seem to > be > trying to release cds by already established > artists. Another question I have for the artists themselves: why not > stay on > one label for awhile? Just think of how many artists only record one > disc > for a label. What label do you run? > > Soel.
That, indeed, is a fair point Soel. I suppose it's a profile thang - get the label known through various visiting artists / remixes in order to promote the lesser known / new ones you've found. This works to some degree in that you've at least internalised the label identity for this reason, however, whether or not people largely retain an interest in a label once the artist has hopped is something only the labels have a handle on. In terms of artists releasing on numerous labels, again, wider promotion sounds like one likely reason. Or maybe they just can't say no to flattery. Long live organic produce and cliff divers. Luther --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-30 13:08Iris GarrelfsLet's not forget that small labels are in no position to pay an artist enough money to liv
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Let's not forget that small labels are in no position to pay an artist enough money to live and make more music on ...
quoted 31 lines Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 23:46:41 +0100> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 23:46:41 +0100 > To: idm@hyperreal.org > From: Luther van Dross <lutherblisset001@hotmail.com> > Subject: labels/labelhopping > Message-ID: <39FB574E.C474D07@hotmail.com> > >> I totally agree with those who start their own labels to release their >> own >> projects or to promote new ones, but many of these new labels seem to >> be >> trying to release cds by already established >> artists. Another question I have for the artists themselves: why not >> stay on >> one label for awhile? Just think of how many artists only record one >> disc >> for a label. What label do you run? >> >> Soel. > > That, indeed, is a fair point Soel. I suppose it's a profile thang - get > the label known through various visiting artists / remixes in order to > promote the lesser known / new ones you've found. This works to some > degree in that you've at least internalised the label identity for this > reason, however, whether or not people largely retain an interest in a > label once the artist has hopped is something only the labels have a > handle on. In terms of artists releasing on numerous labels, again, > wider promotion sounds like one likely reason. Or maybe they just can't > say no to flattery. > > Long live organic produce and cliff divers. > Luther
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