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2000-10-23 12:18Irene McC [idm] sadly this is true
2000-10-23 12:40component Re: [idm] sadly this is true
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2000-10-23 15:01Ross Balmer Re: [idm] sadly this is true
└─ 2000-10-23 18:56Yonnie Lui Re: [idm] sadly this is true
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2000-10-24 09:45Ross Balmer Re: [idm] sadly this is true
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2000-10-23 12:18Irene McCSo I was playing a set on Saturday night and in the middle of Tarwater's "Early Risers" a
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So I was playing a set on Saturday night and in the middle of Tarwater's "Early Risers" a keen member of the audience comes up to me and says "is this Massive Attack?" WHAT ????!?!? Anybody with similar incidents - -? Time to educate the masses, eh! I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-23 12:40componentI think its a largescale uphill battle, but educating the masses is definately a good thin
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I think its a largescale uphill battle, but educating the masses is definately a good thing. I've had similar experiences, but in regards to where music comes from: I was on a coffee date with this girl and we wandered into tower records, and she started talking about how she had seen Laurent Garnier in NY the weekend before. So I asked "Was he live or just DJing?" to which she responded "You mean banging on drums and stuff ?" I went on to give a quick explaination of what a live techno PA is and she responded something along the lines of "You've just blown my mind, I thought that they made music by mixing records" This was not and isolated occurance. A TON, of people that I've encountered believe that elctronic music is magically generated by pulling all of the sounds off of vinyl(and they weren't talking about tuntablism). I had pretty much the same conversation with a kid who did maintenance at the company I used to work for in reference to my own music ......"umm I thought you made everthing by mixing".... I had to chuckle :) Rob component records www.mindstorm.com/component ----- Original Message ----- From: Irene McC <substar@iafrica.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:18 AM Subject: [idm] sadly this is true
quoted 16 lines So I was playing a set on Saturday night and in the middle of> So I was playing a set on Saturday night and in the middle of > Tarwater's "Early Risers" a keen member of the audience comes up > to me and says "is this Massive Attack?" > > WHAT ????!?!? > > Anybody with similar incidents - -? Time to educate the masses, eh! > > I > * > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-10-23 14:30Kent williamsThere is such a sea of ignorance in the world that you'll drown trying to stem the tide. N
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There is such a sea of ignorance in the world that you'll drown trying to stem the tide. Now this is NOT elitist, but there's always a dichotomy between the heads and the punters. Heads buy and know records. Punters just dance. The heads know what's going on. The punters know how to have a good time. Punters can't be denigrated for not knowing which Jaguar remix you're dropping. There's something said for a sonic appreciation of music that isn't predicated on perfect knowledge of the music, or how it's made. Music should be, at least some of the time, enjoyed on a purely sensual level. The more important distinction I think, is between people who want to be challenged by music and the people who want to simply accompany and reinforce their livestyle. The latter people are the house music lovers who run for the bar when the D&B DJ comes on, or vice versa. They have their narrow idea of what rocks them, and are closed to all else. The people I like playing for are the ones who are genuinely up for anything. There are more of them than you might think. In our town there are a large number of people who stay away from our dancier events, but will come out for something weird, and the weirder the better. So we're looking at doing more weird live events -- crossover artists, post rock stuff, whatever, just because we can get a completely different audience. A while back we had this duo from Chicago Noli Me Tangere. Noli me tangere comprises a woman making strangely epileptic vocal noises into a microphone, and a guy who processes that signal through a network of 8 or 10 guitar stomp boxes. The result is some completely inchoate, menacing noise, that went on without stop for an hour. People loved it. At least the people who showed up. And I think they loved it because they had never heard anything like it before, not in spite of it. kent williams -- kent@avalon.net http://jump.to/cornwarning -- Iowa's First Techno Record Label http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-23 15:01Ross BalmerHah. You know once I was no less ignorant, although I have to say I didn't jump to conclus
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Hah. You know once I was no less ignorant, although I have to say I didn't jump to conclusions like that. I didn't know and I knew I didn't know. It's only since I've been online that I've become a total trainspotter techno geek. But I say you don't have to know what something is called to know that it is good! What annoys me is the amount of people that think trance is techno. Aargh! The trouble is that techno is as underground as it ever was. Maybe more so now other forms of dance music have gone so mainstream. I wouldn't even bother trying to explain what IDM is to those people. A few people played me some trance tapes over the last month. It was so long since I had heard any (by deliberately staying out-of-touch!) that I actually enjoyed the first couple of tracks. Of course by the end of an hour I was begging for mercy, it's like they play the same track over and over. I couldn't begin to contemplate putting myself through six to eight hours of that in a club. And IMO it's practically undanceable because the rhythm hardly changes and never goes anywhere. Hate hate hate! Actually I *am* still a bit partial to some of the classic mid nineties stuff like some of the old Eye-Q and Harthouse tunes. But don't tell anyone! Ross. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene McC" <substar@iafrica.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 1:18 PM Subject: [idm] sadly this is true
quoted 16 lines So I was playing a set on Saturday night and in the middle of> So I was playing a set on Saturday night and in the middle of > Tarwater's "Early Risers" a keen member of the audience comes up > to me and says "is this Massive Attack?" > > WHAT ????!?!? > > Anybody with similar incidents - -? Time to educate the masses, eh! > > I > * > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-10-23 18:56Yonnie Lui>A few people played me some trance tapes over the last month. It was so long >since I had
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quoted 7 lines A few people played me some trance tapes over the last month. It was so long>A few people played me some trance tapes over the last month. It was so long >since I had heard any (by deliberately staying out-of-touch!) that I >actually enjoyed the first couple of tracks. Of course by the end of an hour >I was begging for mercy, it's like they play the same track over and over. I >couldn't begin to contemplate putting myself through six to eight hours of >that in a club. And IMO it's practically undanceable because the rhythm >hardly changes and never goes anywhere. Hate hate hate!
... well, i wouldn't say that trance is undanceable, i think it's more for the 'milling in the crowd' stylee than actually dancing er... proactively ;-) _,_ {~._.~} _( Y )_ (:_~#~_:) (_)-(_) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-23 23:37MxyzptlkWAY too many of these types of things in my life even to keep track (of course, they don't
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WAY too many of these types of things in my life even to keep track (of course, they don't happen when I'm dj-ing because I haven't done that since before it was called dj-ing. :-). Irene McC wrote:
quoted 8 lines So I was playing a set on Saturday night and in the middle of> So I was playing a set on Saturday night and in the middle of > Tarwater's "Early Risers" a keen member of the audience comes up > to me and says "is this Massive Attack?" > > WHAT ????!?!? > > Anybody with similar incidents - -? Time to educate the masses, eh! >
-- jeff "10,000 people all screaming the same thing at the same time are wrong, even if they're right." dancing/about/architecture "...with wandering steps and slow..." ICQ904008 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-23 23:50Lee AzzarelloOhh, Oh, I have a good one. I was spinning a hard jungle set. The first record was Test #3
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Ohh, Oh, I have a good one. I was spinning a hard jungle set. The first record was Test #3, and as we all know this music has very strong bass lines... A girl ran up to the booth and asked me if I could play "something with a heavier bass line." I laughed in rhythm with jumping subs. I think she meant Jay-Z, since that was what was on before I began. -lee on 10/23/00 4:37 PM, Mxyzptlk at jpklein@telocity.com wrote:
quoted 31 lines WAY too many of these types of things in my life even to keep track (of> WAY too many of these types of things in my life even to keep track (of > course, they don't happen when I'm dj-ing because I haven't done that > since before it was called dj-ing. :-). > > > Irene McC wrote: > >> So I was playing a set on Saturday night and in the middle of >> Tarwater's "Early Risers" a keen member of the audience comes up >> to me and says "is this Massive Attack?" >> >> WHAT ????!?!? >> >> Anybody with similar incidents - -? Time to educate the masses, eh! >> > > -- > jeff > > "10,000 people all screaming the same thing at the same time are wrong, > even if they're right." > > dancing/about/architecture "...with wandering steps and slow..." > ICQ904008 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-10-23 23:44MxyzptlkRoss Balmer wrote: > What annoys me is the amount of people that think trance is techno. .
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Ross Balmer wrote:
quoted 1 line What annoys me is the amount of people that think trance is techno.> What annoys me is the amount of people that think trance is techno.
...to which I say : There is a HUGE thread imbedded here. I think there are a lot of people who can't tell the difference at all...and this leads me to elaborate on something you mention below (sorta) - *I* think there is a great, fixed gulf between what we used to call trance back in the early-mid 90s and what is schlepped off for it these days. <snip> (Ross)
quoted 3 lines A few people played me some trance tapes over the last month> > > A few people played me some trance tapes over the last month
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quoted 2 lines .Actually I *am* still a bit partial to some of the classic mid nineties> .Actually I *am* still a bit partial to some of the classic mid nineties > stuff like some of the old Eye-Q and Harthouse tunes
jeff "10,000 people all screaming the same thing at the same time are wrong, even if they're right." dancing/about/architecture "...with wandering steps and slow..." ICQ904008 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-24 09:45Ross Balmer----- Original Message ----- From: "Mxyzptlk" <jpklein@telocity.com> To: "Ross Balmer" <ro
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mxyzptlk" <jpklein@telocity.com> To: "Ross Balmer" <ross@tuimedia.co.uk> Cc: "IDM" <idm@hyperreal.org>; "Irene McC" <substar@iafrica.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [idm] sadly this is true
quoted 9 lines Ross Balmer wrote:> > > Ross Balmer wrote: > > > What annoys me is the amount of people that think trance is techno. > > ...to which I say : > > There is a HUGE thread imbedded here. I think there are a lot of people
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quoted 1 line can't tell the difference at all...and this leads me to elaborate on> can't tell the difference at all...and this leads me to elaborate on
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quoted 1 line you mention below (sorta) - *I* think there is a great, fixed gulf between> you mention below (sorta) - *I* think there is a great, fixed gulf between
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quoted 1 line we used to call trance back in the early-mid 90s and what is schlepped off> we used to call trance back in the early-mid 90s and what is schlepped off
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quoted 1 line it these days.> it these days.
I think you're right. Mid-nineties trance was closer to techno and a lot more melodic. The mistake would have been more forgivable back then. My friend Eun used to play amazing mixed sets. (Now he's a doomcore dj though and I know he would disown them completely). I'm not against the genre in principal but somewhere it all went wrong and now I hate it even more out of disappointment because it could have been so good and it went so bad.
quoted 1 line A few people played me some trance tapes over the last month> > A few people played me some trance tapes over the last month
And I forgot to mention - I was talking about Autechre at one point and this guy described it as "trance". I ended up explaining the whole history of techno to him <sigh> Ross --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org