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okay, I don't think this has been addressed/or maybe it has: Is it me, or is Astralwerks killing the crap out of good artists? Last year, Paradinas released the biggest let down album of the year, this year, the prize goes to Photek. Is it just plain coincident that Astralwerks (skint) are the pushers of these two flops? After 'Lunatic Harness' i was all pins and needles to hear the follow-up from Mu-ziq, but, god damnit, i would rather have no more Mu-albums than hear that piece of commercial crap(the "d&b in idm" discussion comes in here). I love GanggStarr as much as the next white boy, but come on, pick a little less know clip to loop (yall need to cut that greedy ass......)(this could be next discussion WORST sample ever). Then, after watching and waiting for, -what has it been, 2 years?-photek decides to release a new album. "RAD!" people say, another twisted, sick beat album. Not really IDM, but we expect awesome stuff anyway because of the intelligent nature of his style of D&B. So, was i the only one let down when i went to the record shop to hear this new gem? the look of horror on my face when i heard (vomit-wince) house style vocals cracked up the entire store, who had gone through the same puke inducing realization that this once viable and creative artist had pulled a 'Royal Astronomy', with dreams of sound clips in Saturn commercials and soundtrack slots on NewLine horror flicks no doubt the cause of this Oakenfold ready crapper of a album. I BET MY LEFT BALL THAT ONE OF THESE TRACKS WILL BE ON A GLOBAL UNDERGROUND RELEASE SOMEDAY! my conclusion is this: ASTRALWERKS IS THE ROOT OF ALL COMMERCIAL EVIL IN AMERICAN ELECTRONIC MUSIC! Since the commercial success of Fatboyshit, with his ever present, annoying, bullshit of bubblegum beats and production, the company demands nothing more than "a hot seller". "no shit", you may be saying to yourself,"we knew about this all along. why should i care now?" this is why: Warp, who i am obviously a massive fan of, recently signed a contract to have their releases put out in America (yeaaaaaa!!) by caroline records (booooooo,hisss!!). Caroline=Astralwerks. This may be extreme, but i say we start a campaign to get warp out of this devil deal. not saying that warp artists will lose control over direction and personal style, but when Caroline cant move platinum numbers of, lets say Jamie Lidell _Muddlin' Gear_, what will they say to warp??? "you know, it doesn't sell because its not ACCESSIBLE enough" or "its TOO DARK for commercial success". The music label business is a big mofo, breach of contract sits well to U.S. courts. Caroline can claim that Warp is not filling its side of the deal by not providing a product that can sell. Ugly, it will turn. So, BE WARNED (hahaha_)!! If my language is harsh and abrasive, sorry, its a bitch of a time to live in (haha_), get your head out of your stuffy ass. be pissed about the manhandling of the arts in america, its the only way to enact a change. out benine "my escalator stops for no one" unread,unedited,rantedandsent _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Preach on preacher! Sounds good. Do you have an email contact so we might send a petition to Warp? I'm game...Fatboyshit and saturn commercials be gone. -lee on 10/20/00 10:43 AM, Benjamin McDonald at warpfan@hotmail.com wrote:

quoted 64 lines okay,

> okay, > I don't think this has been addressed/or maybe it has: > Is it me, or is Astralwerks killing the crap out of good artists? Last year, > Paradinas released the biggest let down album of the year, this year, the > prize goes to Photek. Is it just plain coincident that Astralwerks (skint) > are the pushers of these two flops? > After 'Lunatic Harness' i was all pins and needles to hear the follow-up > from Mu-ziq, but, god damnit, i would rather have no more Mu-albums than > hear that piece of commercial crap(the "d&b in idm" discussion comes in > here). I love GanggStarr as much as the next white boy, but come on, pick a > little less know clip to loop (yall need to cut that greedy ass......)(this > could be next discussion WORST sample ever). > Then, after watching and waiting for, -what has it been, 2 years?-photek > decides to release a new album. "RAD!" people say, another twisted, sick > beat album. Not really IDM, but we expect awesome stuff anyway because of > the intelligent nature of his style of D&B. So, was i the only one let down > when i went to the record shop to hear this new gem? the look of horror on > my face when i heard (vomit-wince) house style vocals cracked up the entire > store, who had gone through the same puke inducing realization that this > once viable and creative artist had pulled a 'Royal Astronomy', with dreams > of sound clips in Saturn commercials and soundtrack slots on NewLine horror > flicks no doubt the cause of this Oakenfold ready crapper of a album. I BET > MY LEFT BALL THAT ONE OF THESE TRACKS WILL BE ON A GLOBAL UNDERGROUND > RELEASE SOMEDAY! > my conclusion is this: > ASTRALWERKS IS THE ROOT OF ALL COMMERCIAL EVIL IN AMERICAN ELECTRONIC MUSIC! > Since the commercial success of Fatboyshit, with his ever present, annoying, > bullshit of bubblegum beats and production, the company demands nothing more > than "a hot seller". "no shit", you may be saying to yourself,"we knew about > this all along. why should i care now?" > this is why: > Warp, who i am obviously a massive fan of, recently signed a contract to > have their releases put out in America (yeaaaaaa!!) by caroline records > (booooooo,hisss!!). Caroline=Astralwerks. > This may be extreme, but i say we start a campaign to get warp out of this > devil deal. not saying that warp artists will lose control over direction > and personal style, but when Caroline cant move platinum numbers of, lets > say Jamie Lidell _Muddlin' Gear_, what will they say to warp??? "you know, > it doesn't sell because its not ACCESSIBLE enough" or "its TOO DARK for > commercial success". The music label business is a big mofo, breach of > contract sits well to U.S. courts. Caroline can claim that Warp is not > filling its side of the deal by not providing a product that can sell. Ugly, > it will turn. > So, BE WARNED (hahaha_)!! > If my language is harsh and abrasive, sorry, its a bitch of a time to live > in (haha_), get your head out of your stuffy ass. > be pissed about the manhandling of the arts in america, its the only way to > enact a change. > out > benine > "my escalator stops for no one" > unread,unedited,rantedandsent > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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homework time.... Astralwerks and Caroline are in the same building and owned by the same people but their not the same company. One is a label, one a distributor simple as that. Warp going through Caroline is in no way the same thing as Warp via Astralwerks. Warp will maintain all their own decisions as to what they put out, what sales expectations they have for it, how much they want to spend. Caroline simply put records in the stores, it's up to the label and artist to sell them at that point. We (Ninja Tune) are through Caroline (for 4 years now) and when was the last time you heard of us having anything to do with Astralwerks. As for Photek and U-Ziq...if you don't like their new records blame them not Astralwerks. Jeff on 10/20/00 1:37 PM, Lee Azzarello at roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu wrote:

quoted 79 lines Preach on preacher! Sounds good. Do you have an email contact so we might

> Preach on preacher! Sounds good. Do you have an email contact so we might > send a petition to Warp? I'm game...Fatboyshit and saturn commercials be > gone. > > -lee > > on 10/20/00 10:43 AM, Benjamin McDonald at warpfan@hotmail.com wrote: > >> okay, >> I don't think this has been addressed/or maybe it has: >> Is it me, or is Astralwerks killing the crap out of good artists? Last year, >> Paradinas released the biggest let down album of the year, this year, the >> prize goes to Photek. Is it just plain coincident that Astralwerks (skint) >> are the pushers of these two flops? >> After 'Lunatic Harness' i was all pins and needles to hear the follow-up >> from Mu-ziq, but, god damnit, i would rather have no more Mu-albums than >> hear that piece of commercial crap(the "d&b in idm" discussion comes in >> here). I love GanggStarr as much as the next white boy, but come on, pick a >> little less know clip to loop (yall need to cut that greedy ass......)(this >> could be next discussion WORST sample ever). >> Then, after watching and waiting for, -what has it been, 2 years?-photek >> decides to release a new album. "RAD!" people say, another twisted, sick >> beat album. Not really IDM, but we expect awesome stuff anyway because of >> the intelligent nature of his style of D&B. So, was i the only one let down >> when i went to the record shop to hear this new gem? the look of horror on >> my face when i heard (vomit-wince) house style vocals cracked up the entire >> store, who had gone through the same puke inducing realization that this >> once viable and creative artist had pulled a 'Royal Astronomy', with dreams >> of sound clips in Saturn commercials and soundtrack slots on NewLine horror >> flicks no doubt the cause of this Oakenfold ready crapper of a album. I BET >> MY LEFT BALL THAT ONE OF THESE TRACKS WILL BE ON A GLOBAL UNDERGROUND >> RELEASE SOMEDAY! >> my conclusion is this: >> ASTRALWERKS IS THE ROOT OF ALL COMMERCIAL EVIL IN AMERICAN ELECTRONIC MUSIC! >> Since the commercial success of Fatboyshit, with his ever present, annoying, >> bullshit of bubblegum beats and production, the company demands nothing more >> than "a hot seller". "no shit", you may be saying to yourself,"we knew about >> this all along. why should i care now?" >> this is why: >> Warp, who i am obviously a massive fan of, recently signed a contract to >> have their releases put out in America (yeaaaaaa!!) by caroline records >> (booooooo,hisss!!). Caroline=Astralwerks. >> This may be extreme, but i say we start a campaign to get warp out of this >> devil deal. not saying that warp artists will lose control over direction >> and personal style, but when Caroline cant move platinum numbers of, lets >> say Jamie Lidell _Muddlin' Gear_, what will they say to warp??? "you know, >> it doesn't sell because its not ACCESSIBLE enough" or "its TOO DARK for >> commercial success". The music label business is a big mofo, breach of >> contract sits well to U.S. courts. Caroline can claim that Warp is not >> filling its side of the deal by not providing a product that can sell. Ugly, >> it will turn. >> So, BE WARNED (hahaha_)!! >> If my language is harsh and abrasive, sorry, its a bitch of a time to live >> in (haha_), get your head out of your stuffy ass. >> be pissed about the manhandling of the arts in america, its the only way to >> enact a change. >> out >> benine >> "my escalator stops for no one" >> unread,unedited,rantedandsent >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >> Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >> http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 10 lines Astralwerks and Caroline are in the same building and owned by the same

>Astralwerks and Caroline are in the same building and owned by the same >people but their not the same company. One is a label, one a distributor >simple as that. Warp going through Caroline is in no way the same thing as >Warp via Astralwerks. Warp will maintain all their own decisions as to what >they put out, what sales expectations they have for it, how much they want >to spend. Caroline simply put records in the stores, it's up to the label >and artist to sell them at that point. We (Ninja Tune) are through Caroline >(for 4 years now) and when was the last time you heard of us having anything >to do with Astralwerks. As for Photek and U-Ziq...if you don't like their >new records blame them not Astralwerks.

i think this last part is by far the most overlooked aspect of comparing a "label" to an "artist". labels tend to have similar sounds, since the people who run the label tend to have a certain taste. they sign artists, the artists make music that the label likes, and a label is supposedly good when they say "we like your things, please give us more to release", and supposedly bad when they say "make something like this, cos it sells." i do know that astralwerks has a strong hand in what they release, especially now. in an interview with mike paradinas in one of the local papers here, during the vibert/muziq tour, paradinas said that royal astronomy was less hectic and more melodic than his previous work because astralwerks asked for "less of the crazy drums, people don't like it as much." which explains why "full sunken breaks" is a lot more hectic and noise-oriented. but even then, it's still the artist making the music; they could just as well stall, change pseudonyms, make cheese, etc, to do what they want. regardless of how much astralwerks or any other label says "make music like this", it's still the artist handing the tracks over. labels release music; artists make music. cheers, /derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Well first off I don't think that the Photek release is that much of a let down. I would like to have heard more rythm based stuff on the Royal Astronomy disc, but the Kid Spatula record on planet mu, kinded quenched that. I personally, like it better than Royal Astronomy, but I digress. Photek as at a level where I don't think that he has to kiss label ass to get his stuff released, Modus Operundi really pushed his career to the next level. I think that it was his personal choice to do the record the way that he did. Astralwerks and Skint aren't the same label, btw, Astralwerks just licenses skint material, as they do with lots of other labels. As far as I know, Caroline is also owned by Virgin, so the whole thing is just part of the corporate machine. Caroline also distributes for a bunch of labels too. I would worry far more about Warp's questionably taste as of late than to worry about how outside factors are going to influence them Rob component records www.mindstorm.com/component ----- Original Message ----- From: Benjamin McDonald <warpfan@hotmail.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 1:43 PM Subject: [idm] if was not said, i will

quoted 6 lines okay,

> okay, > I don't think this has been addressed/or maybe it has: > Is it me, or is Astralwerks killing the crap out of good artists? Last year, > Paradinas released the biggest let down album of the year, this year, the > prize goes to Photek. Is it just plain coincident that Astralwerks (skint) > are the pushers of these two flops?

quoted 52 lines Then, after watching and waiting for, -what has it been, 2 years?-photek

> Then, after watching and waiting for, -what has it been, 2 years?-photek > decides to release a new album. "RAD!" people say, another twisted, sick > beat album. Not really IDM, but we expect awesome stuff anyway because of > the intelligent nature of his style of D&B. So, was i the only one let down > when i went to the record shop to hear this new gem? the look of horror on > my face when i heard (vomit-wince) house style vocals cracked up the entire > store, who had gone through the same puke inducing realization that this > once viable and creative artist had pulled a 'Royal Astronomy', with dreams > of sound clips in Saturn commercials and soundtrack slots on NewLine horror > flicks no doubt the cause of this Oakenfold ready crapper of a album. I BET > MY LEFT BALL THAT ONE OF THESE TRACKS WILL BE ON A GLOBAL UNDERGROUND > RELEASE SOMEDAY! > my conclusion is this: > ASTRALWERKS IS THE ROOT OF ALL COMMERCIAL EVIL IN AMERICAN ELECTRONIC MUSIC! > Since the commercial success of Fatboyshit, with his ever present, annoying, > bullshit of bubblegum beats and production, the company demands nothing more > than "a hot seller". "no shit", you may be saying to yourself,"we knew about > this all along. why should i care now?" > this is why: > Warp, who i am obviously a massive fan of, recently signed a contract to > have their releases put out in America (yeaaaaaa!!) by caroline records > (booooooo,hisss!!). Caroline=Astralwerks. > This may be extreme, but i say we start a campaign to get warp out of this > devil deal. not saying that warp artists will lose control over direction > and personal style, but when Caroline cant move platinum numbers of, lets > say Jamie Lidell _Muddlin' Gear_, what will they say to warp??? "you know, > it doesn't sell because its not ACCESSIBLE enough" or "its TOO DARK for > commercial success". The music label business is a big mofo, breach of > contract sits well to U.S. courts. Caroline can claim that Warp is not > filling its side of the deal by not providing a product that can sell. Ugly, > it will turn. > So, BE WARNED (hahaha_)!! > If my language is harsh and abrasive, sorry, its a bitch of a time to live > in (haha_), get your head out of your stuffy ass. > be pissed about the manhandling of the arts in america, its the only way to > enact a change. > out > benine > "my escalator stops for no one" > unread,unedited,rantedandsent > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Well said. Blaming the distribution company for bad music is like blaming FedEx because you don't like the records they brought you. BTW, am I the only one who actually likes (parts of) Royal Astronomy? Jacob

quoted 14 lines homework time....

>homework time.... > >Astralwerks and Caroline are in the same building and owned by the same >people but their not the same company. One is a label, one a distributor >simple as that. Warp going through Caroline is in no way the same thing as >Warp via Astralwerks. Warp will maintain all their own decisions as to what >they put out, what sales expectations they have for it, how much they want >to spend. Caroline simply put records in the stores, it's up to the label >and artist to sell them at that point. We (Ninja Tune) are through Caroline >(for 4 years now) and when was the last time you heard of us having anything >to do with Astralwerks. As for Photek and U-Ziq...if you don't like their >new records blame them not Astralwerks. > >Jeff

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At 10:29 PM 10/20/2000 -0600, Jacob Arnold wrote:

quoted 4 lines Well said. Blaming the distribution company for bad music is like blaming

>Well said. Blaming the distribution company for bad music is like blaming >FedEx because you don't like the records they brought you. > >BTW, am I the only one who actually likes (parts of) Royal Astronomy?

the hwicci song is tops. especially when mikey is nice enough to play it live. mmmm!!!! actually that reminds me of something i noticed about mr. paradinas. all of his stuff seems to be pretty hardware-oriented, with not much on the tweaky side. his live setup is pretty gear-intensive, but it's very active, and i was impressed with how much stuff he had going on, whilst still creating improved-upon versions of album tracks. you might not like the music, but ya gotta give him props for having such control over his gear. hundreds of buttons and knobs and switches are a little harder to control than, say, 6 strings :) cheers, /derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org