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allow me to de-lurk for a moment. big fat imho on this one:

quoted 5 lines Christ. I've been hearing people yelp and whine about

> Christ. I've been hearing people yelp and whine about > community since the post-hey day of Operation Ivy. > The idea that "scene" and "community" should go > together is an old, silly and, at least in my mind, a > discredited idea.

um, why shouldn't "scene and community" go together? we are social animals, after all. people like their "scenes" to have a sense of "community" for the same reason anyone enjoys community - it's fun, and in many ways useful, to be associated with a group that has the same interests and tastes as oneself. there's nothing wrong with wishing the idm "scene" could have more "community." or in wishing the idm crowd were more friendly, or the artists less obnoxious (i'm not saying they are). those seem to be reasonable complaints, and a tormented-artist-shy- computer-geek-asshole is still an asshole. if your point is that we should remove ourselves completely from the rock&roll/artist-as-author paradigm, then i disagree. i just don't see the point of it. while markus popp should clearly not be deified, what's wrong with saying "dude, nice show" or "i appreciate what you do" or somesuch, if you think the guy has talent? (wait, i'm mixing threads aren't i?)

quoted 6 lines I remember (back in the day) when Kathleen Hannah (in

> I remember (back in the day) when Kathleen Hannah (in > her Bikini Kill days) used to get on stage, late, and > announce to the crowd, which would be chanting some > variant on the "get on the stage and play" tip, that > she was not their fucking waitress. I.e., it was not > her job to serve the crowd.

from a simple exchange of goods and services standpoint, this is bullshit. it absolutely IS her job to serve the crowd, if they paid 15 or 20 bucks to see her that night. it's a job, dammit. if you don't like it then you shouldn't be playing live - to do otherwise and then treat your paying crowd like shit is pretty fucked up. likewise, if you push play on your laptop and spend the rest of the time playing solitaire, you've pretty much ripped off your fans, imho, and that is something worth complaining about. (unless it's cex dancing around and eating live chickens or whatever - now that's entertainment!) it's called a performance for a reason, and if you're not up to the task then you shouldn't be charging admission. nub, np. nothing --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

A while back someone posted saying they DJ a weekly (?) experimental electronic/IDM radio show on some radio station in Boulder, CO. If that person is still around, I have a question for them, cuz I think I might have heard their show last night. Specifically, I was listening to 88.5 at around 1am and heard this really interesting track. It started with some noises and a person talking, then two people talking, then more and more layers of talking until a mid-tempo beat kicked in. Does this sound familiar to anyone? It was kinda bizarre and very cool and I want more. Cheers, BK! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

jesusfuckingchrist. I rant a bit and everyone gets their panties in a crunch. alls I meant is that I moved to SF three years ago, hoping that there'd be electronic musicians and some sort of "scene" oozing from every damn crack in the sidewalk. I love playing live and I love seeing people play live! instead, SF is rife with unoriginal house, trance, or drum'n'bass djs, and that's it (mostly)! there's TONS of people around here ranting about "this" DJ or "that" DJ is his/her favorite, there's shitloads of websites with DJ BADDASS's mix-netcast-du-jour. There's well known crews: Phunkatech, Friends-n-Family, JusticeLeagueSoundSystem...etc. I -know- that there are LOTS of people around here making bedroom music---but there's no interconnectivity...nobody ever talks about it on the street. SF is so entirely based around local DJ culture, and that's it as far as electronic music goes. I want that to change. I wasn't preaching any candy-raver PLUR community peace-and-love bullshit...c'mon. -JimG <skoop@slackers.net> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

But... but... i thought Kid 606 was "Down with the Scene" josh -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, jimg wrote:

quoted 28 lines jesusfuckingchrist. I rant a bit and everyone gets their panties in a

> jesusfuckingchrist. I rant a bit and everyone gets their panties in a > crunch. alls I meant is that I moved to SF three years ago, hoping that > there'd be electronic musicians and some sort of "scene" oozing from every > damn crack in the sidewalk. I love playing live and I love seeing people > play live! instead, SF is rife with unoriginal house, trance, or > drum'n'bass djs, and that's it (mostly)! there's TONS of people around > here ranting about "this" DJ or "that" DJ is his/her favorite, there's > shitloads of websites with DJ BADDASS's mix-netcast-du-jour. There's well > known crews: Phunkatech, Friends-n-Family, > JusticeLeagueSoundSystem...etc. > > I -know- that there are LOTS of people around here making bedroom > music---but there's no interconnectivity...nobody ever talks about it on > the street. SF is so entirely based around local DJ culture, and that's > it as far as electronic music goes. I want that to change. > > I wasn't preaching any candy-raver PLUR community peace-and-love > bullshit...c'mon. > > -JimG <skoop@slackers.net> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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I can understand that, totally. I myself moved here 2 years ago, and felt the same way to a certain extent. I think the main thing, and maybe this is a SF thing, is that here there are lots of splintered scenes here and it makes it much more difficult to jump into (from a community stand point) when there's kind of a 'divide and conquer' mentality. I think the key factor is the artist's themselves, as individuals, and not in the context of a larger 'scene'. As someone who had never been to an IDM-ish thing in the city before, (and after seeing the posts that were up yesterday I was a bit apprehensive) I went out to see what this whole thing was all about. I have to say that my experience with the individual artists was great! I meet Kevin and Bevin of blectum from blechdom, and Martin of matmos, and all 3 were exceptionaly nice people. Bear in mind that I'd never seen them before, and had any contact with them whatsoever. I think the people here, at least in this group, would be open and willing to do anything they could to make the experience a better one for everyone who's interested. I'm sure it's not the easiest thing in the world to organize,promote, and perform at this type of event. That in and of itself speaks volumes about these people. I can't speak for anyone else but the above-mentioned artists, but I have to say that it was a positive experience for me.

quoted 32 lines From: jimg <skoop@slackers.net>

>From: jimg <skoop@slackers.net> >To: intelligent dancing meatloaf <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: [idm] RE: scene, community, etc. >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:31:15 -0700 (PDT) > >jesusfuckingchrist. I rant a bit and everyone gets their panties in a >crunch. alls I meant is that I moved to SF three years ago, hoping that >there'd be electronic musicians and some sort of "scene" oozing from every >damn crack in the sidewalk. I love playing live and I love seeing people >play live! instead, SF is rife with unoriginal house, trance, or >drum'n'bass djs, and that's it (mostly)! there's TONS of people around >here ranting about "this" DJ or "that" DJ is his/her favorite, there's >shitloads of websites with DJ BADDASS's mix-netcast-du-jour. There's well >known crews: Phunkatech, Friends-n-Family, >JusticeLeagueSoundSystem...etc. > >I -know- that there are LOTS of people around here making bedroom >music---but there's no interconnectivity...nobody ever talks about it on >the street. SF is so entirely based around local DJ culture, and that's >it as far as electronic music goes. I want that to change. > >I wasn't preaching any candy-raver PLUR community peace-and-love >bullshit...c'mon. > >-JimG <skoop@slackers.net> > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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i thought SF was about meth...going out on thursday and coming home on tuesday. I would say that that is what san diego is about only there is no place to go out on thursday or tuesday..or anywhere inbetween..not to mention we have about 1/4 the music you guys have up there....so maybe it's just about the meth///and offroad vehicles...lots a those here ----------

quoted 5 lines From: jimg <skoop@slackers.net>

>From: jimg <skoop@slackers.net> >To: intelligent dancing meatloaf <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: [idm] RE: scene, community, etc. >Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2000, 2:31 PM >

quoted 28 lines jesusfuckingchrist. I rant a bit and everyone gets their panties in a

> jesusfuckingchrist. I rant a bit and everyone gets their panties in a > crunch. alls I meant is that I moved to SF three years ago, hoping that > there'd be electronic musicians and some sort of "scene" oozing from every > damn crack in the sidewalk. I love playing live and I love seeing people > play live! instead, SF is rife with unoriginal house, trance, or > drum'n'bass djs, and that's it (mostly)! there's TONS of people around > here ranting about "this" DJ or "that" DJ is his/her favorite, there's > shitloads of websites with DJ BADDASS's mix-netcast-du-jour. There's well > known crews: Phunkatech, Friends-n-Family, > JusticeLeagueSoundSystem...etc. > > I -know- that there are LOTS of people around here making bedroom > music---but there's no interconnectivity...nobody ever talks about it on > the street. SF is so entirely based around local DJ culture, and that's > it as far as electronic music goes. I want that to change. > > I wasn't preaching any candy-raver PLUR community peace-and-love > bullshit...c'mon. > > -JimG <skoop@slackers.net> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 1 line I myself moved here 2 years ago,

>I myself moved here 2 years ago,

first of all that is a sort amount of time to make an assumption of what is and what was going on. i have grown up here (s.f.) and constantly been involved from the begining. as i see it a bunch of people came here recently and dominated a city that they knew nonething about..Which that is almost everyone you were refering to, with the exception of matmos. i don't understand how this happen but, i am extremely saddened by it. The truth is it is a very tight click and if you are not down with them and give them the undeserved respect and not bring up the fact that they are cheap substitutes for other bands not in the U.S., they really have nonething to do with you. i think it is a very disrespectful way to work. but then again hype always fadesssssssssssssssssssssssssssss _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, rob salls wrote:

quoted 2 lines not bring up the fact that they are cheap substitutes

> not bring up the fact that they are cheap substitutes > for other bands not in the U.S., they really have nonething to do with you.

i think if i were in a band and i read this post, i would want nothing to do with you either. you care to justify this comment a little? just who are kid606, lesser, and belchdom substitutes for? ..always curious, cus if they are the fakes, id love to hear the real deal! good stuff! chris. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 12:54 PM 9/23/00 -0700, conformity is sexy wrote:

quoted 12 lines On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, rob salls wrote:

>On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, rob salls wrote: > > > not bring up the fact that they are cheap substitutes > > for other bands not in the U.S., they really have nonething to do with > you. > >i think if i were in a band and i read this post, i would want nothing to >do with you either. > >you care to justify this comment a little? just who are kid606, lesser, >and belchdom substitutes for? ..always curious, cus if they are the >fakes, id love to hear the real deal! good stuff!

actually, i believe he was referring to the "dj scene". people like kid606, lesser, and of course blechtum from blechdom are the real deal :) it's those darn poser dj's (not to be confused with real dj's). cheers, /derek - - - - - - - "Extremism is no vice when God's on your side" -Opus the Penguin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

there's no way to put dj's on the same level as producers or musicians. no way at all. but there are some dj's that really are great at what they do, and can't be knocked. after all, we wouldn't be here without them. they were our "shamans" at the little psychadelic tribal gatherings that started this all, eh? it's an obvious point with production, but do you think that a dj trained in music (as in instruments like piano, trumpet, etc.) have the upperhand when it comes to their DJ skills? of course if they develop better pitch, but otherwise? do you think it's easier to find tunes that are remarkable and will ultimately be the better tunes in the genre the dj is partial to? does anybody know of any good examples? a. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org