quoted 6 lines From: EggyToast <youn0394@umn.edu>
>From: EggyToast <youn0394@umn.edu>
>
>>autechre/radiohead
>
>well right, but you (i assume) like them for different reasons, and not
>because radiohead sounds like autechre, correct?
It would be correct to say that what I like varies from pieces of work.
What I like on one Autechre album might differ from what I like on another
Autechre release. Same goes among other artists.
When people blantantly copy artists, it more of a turn off. Being
influenced is one thing, mimicking is another. From the first mention of
Kid A sounding like IDM artists, I didn't really expect anything to sound
like any IDM artist in particular, but influenced perhaps.
I'm sick of Autechre copycats.
quoted 3 lines i was merely clarifying that this is pretty removed from autechre. >i'm
>i was merely clarifying that this is pretty removed from autechre. >i'm
>not saying that if you like autechre you'll hate this, but if you >buy this
>with the idea that this is autechrey rock, you'll be >disappointed.
Regardless of which direction it goes, i'm sure it will be a worthy choice
on my to buy list.
quoted 12 lines i think that it's a very good mainstream release, because it is new -
>>>i think that it's a very good mainstream release, because it is new -
>>>from a mainstream POV. and i get the feeling that most reviews
>>>are >going to be favorable, simply because there is a surprisingly
>>>high >amount of people in the music *industry* with a softspot for
>>>radiohead.
>>
>>It's not that surprising. Radiohead is one of the few rock bands that are
>>putting out good material.
>
>the surprising aspect is that when you talk to people out on the street,
>it's rare to find a radiohead fan, but there are a lot of >people who like
>radiohead who are active in the industry (A&R people, >producers,etc.).
That's funny, because I heard it was a favorite among most college stations.
When OK Computer first came out I heard it all over the place. It seems
one of those bands that a lot of people have as common ground (regardless of
whether you normally buy indie or electronic).
I guess my "streets" are different than yours.
quoted 4 lines i'm not doubting the integrity of their material, cos even though i
>i'm not doubting the integrity of their material, cos even though i
> >personally don't like radiohead too much, i can see what the >attraction
>is. and i'm not about to extrapolate what that is (cos, >like most things,
>it's rather intangible anyways). =)
I normally can't see the attraction in music if I don't like
quoted 9 lines well, if my experience with radiohead fans is worth anything, it will
>>>well, if my experience with radiohead fans is worth anything, it will
>>>likely just make them waiting in anticipation for the next >radiohead
>>>album.
>>
>>Must be like Autechre, Aphex Twin, and BOC fans
>
>also in my experience, the majority of people who are fans of >autechre,
>boards of canada, etc, aren't waiting around comparing every >release to
>the latest X release in anticipation of the next X album.
THEY AREN'T??
It seems like a great deal of discussion on IDM list is being spent on
comparing one Autechre release to another, anticipating their "future"
sound. And how that measures up to another artist. Oh and how people that
copy Autechre's style aren't clones, that they just happened to come up with
the exact same sound & beats by accident because of the software.
quoted 3 lines now, obviously, there are people who are completely fanatical, but
>now, obviously, there are people who are completely fanatical, but
> >radiohead has the advantage that you don't have to know other types of
> >music to know radiohead.
And you have to know other music to like IDM artists? There are tons of
people that don't know shit about music that happened onto IDM.
quoted 2 lines - they achieved mild success earlier in their career, had music >videos
>- they achieved mild success earlier in their career, had music >videos
>played on mtv, and had a bit of radio-time.
I heard all of their old stuff on MTV and on the radio, and it never
compelled me to buy one of their albums, until "OK Computer" came out.
I pretty much didn't pay much attention to them in the past. For most of
those years when their earlier releases were coming out, I was like an
Ostrich with his buried in electronic music.
But when I heard "Ok Computer", i had to buy it. It was one of those
releases I had to listen to everyday for months. Just because it was that
good. If they are drifting into more electronic slightly IDM territory,
sounds good to me.
quoted 2 lines granted it was with their older material, but it let people into the >band
>granted it was with their older material, but it let people into the >band
>without having to do much more than be a veg.
Good point I never heard anything off Ok Computer on the radio EVER, only
tunes off their first cd. I don't watch MTV so that never influenced me to
buy anything. I happened onto buying Ok Computer, by just hearing it.
quoted 4 lines and from what i've gathered, most people don't "just happen upon" >
>and from what i've gathered, most people don't "just happen upon" >boards
>of canada or autechre. this isn't always the case, but they >usually
>arrive at said artists after having a couple "idm"
>releases and searching for more in the genre.
You don't think people might happen on to a review in a magazine, hear it on
college radio, read something on the netm or buy something after hearing
one tune in a record store (without previous IDM knowledge). I know there
are a lot of people on this list that just happened upon idm or BOC or
Autechre.
quoted 2 lines now this isn't always the case - i've known lots of people who are just
>now this isn't always the case - i've known lots of people who are just
>hung up on everything aphex twin does.
I'm sure there are people as hardcore about Aphex Twin as any other artists
(Radiohead, etc.)
quoted 2 lines but as an opposite example, i know a lot of people who got turned on >to
>but as an opposite example, i know a lot of people who got turned on >to
>aphex twin via nine inch nails.
Sad
quoted 2 lines and i also know a lot of people who didn't get turned on to aphex twin >via
>and i also know a lot of people who didn't get turned on to aphex twin >via
>nine inch nails and are still worshipping everything nine inch >nails does.
You mean there are still people out there that like Nine Inch Nails?
quoted 4 lines i'm not saying this bears any huge relevance on other artists or >genres,
>i'm not saying this bears any huge relevance on other artists or >genres,
>but most of the people i know who started buying up the aphex >twin stuff
>are now on to buying up schematic stuff and other warp >stuff and many many
>independent labels within the "genre",
Aphex Twin might not be the best example, because he got an incredible
amount of hype in his early days. He was hailed as just about everything
from the Jimi Hendrix of electronic music, to a dozen other titles. I know
tons of people that had some Aphex Twin in their collection, that normally
wouldn't have electronic/techno.
I know people that were totally into IDM (in it's early days) that are back
into indie, some are into jazz, hip hop, drum n bass, dub, techno or
whatever.
quoted 14 lines whilst the people who stuck withnine-inch-nails-obsession are just >pissed
>whilst the people who stuck withnine-inch-nails-obsession are just >pissed
>about "the fragile" :)
>oh, sorry bout that rant...
>
>>>most people who follow bands devoutly don't branch out within the genre -
>>>they simply wait for their fav. bands to release more >albums/eps and
>>>make fan-pages.
>>
>>Sounds like most of IDM people.
>
>most? hmm.. i think people get excited when a new release is announced,
>but i personally don't think that people who describe their >musical tastes
>by declaring a genre (any genre, mind you) worry too >much about specific
>artist's future output.
Whoah. That does not describe a good deal of a lot of the IDM people I
know. For years, I have known people that just freak out when Aphex Twin
has a release, and just talk nonstop about what direction he was going to
take next, what the next lp or ep will be like, etc. etc. And going nuts
until the next one is released.
There were period on the IDM list that were so boring, because they couldn't
stop talking about him. I like his music, but I don't have to know what his
favorite flavor of bubblegum is.
I know people that were creaming their pants in just the thought of another
Boards Of Canada LP. And this was still when their first lp was relatively
new. Few people other than IDM fans will spend the ridiculous amounts of
money buying out of print record. Spending several hundred dollars for Mask
or old Caustic Window, Lego Feet, etc.
Talk about obsessive.
quoted 10 lines i think to clarify my point, when i'm asked what's my "favorite music
>i think to clarify my point, when i'm asked what's my "favorite music
>artist(s)", i don't have an answer, because i don't have one, >and i
>wouldn't be able to find one. i have "favorite music styles", >sure, but a
>style can include very many artists. i'm equally excited >when i hear
>about a new autechre release, a new amon tobin release, or >a new tadd
>mullinix release (heh heh). now, someone who claims that >their "favorite
>music artist(s)" are radiohead, or britney spears, or >hell even autechre
>would be more inclined to hold such an artist (or >group of artists) as
>near-obsessive and have much more anticipation >for said fav. artist's next
>release, to the exclusion of other types >of music.
Sure people that really like any artist will probably be very excited when
something new comes out. I don't think most people are "so simple" in that
they ONLY care about that ONE particular artist. I think that is kind of
rare, most people have several artists that they are REALLY into (regardless
of genre).
quoted 2 lines remember, this is me arguing against the idea that the new radiohead cd
>remember, this is me arguing against the idea that the new radiohead cd
>will turn a lot of big radiohead fans onto more "idm" styles
Who gives a fuck about that? Idm has some good releases now and then, just
like many other genres.
quoted 2 lines and i still hold by the idea that the people who are going to buy the >new
>and i still hold by the idea that the people who are going to buy the >new
>radiohead cd are more apt to buy a guitar than buy a synth.
Why?
If there is anything that this list should have told you by now, is that
musicians from one genre are continually influencing artists from others.
There are many people that came out of one scene to make music in another.
I know guys in bands that like stuff radically different from what they
play.
quoted 2 lines i don't doubt that it'll be a fine cd, but don't expect an influx in >id
>i don't doubt that it'll be a fine cd, but don't expect an influx in >idm-l
>membership.
I hope it doesn't the quality of this list has been going downhill for many
years. A new influx of more people that barely know anything beyond the
basics, would make it even worse.
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