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i don't think anything is wrong with recreational drug use. i think the drug war is stupid and people need to be educated about drugs not lied to...or put in jail for having a pot seed in their pocket from 3 years ago...not to mention the violent offenders who get kicked out of jail to make room for the poor bastard who was just hooking up his friend with a bag a weed or tab of acid....lot's of hypocrisy in what is legal and what is legal but I'll end this semi-rant here to spare you all the obvious stumping... but, as far as drugs/creativity ...I think drugs just make you more of who you already are...as far as your personality goes....that doesn't mean that they make you more you but just accentuate different parts of your personality....plus maybe you just look at things a little differently or maybe develop new methods or something ----------

quoted 5 lines From: "Gause, Brian" <bgause@SECTORBASE.COM>

>From: "Gause, Brian" <bgause@SECTORBASE.COM> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [idm] art, Miles, drugs + gratuitious Hk imitation >Date: Fri, Sep 15, 2000, 10:09 AM >

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> All > > I'm plainly not advocating recreational drug use. I'm also not trying to say > that being stoned or drunk makes you a better artist. What I AM trying to > say is that the human brain is complex. Sometimes a drug or a drink can open > new pathways to thought and some people enjoy this. > > And, yes, my analogies do work. I'm not trying to claim that being deaf is > like being stoned except to say that on the outside (i.e. those NOT > personally affected), these states of being are impossible to comprehend > completely. > > My point is that judging artists to have 'wasted' their talent or 'misused' > their gifts is a mistake. Firstly, some may have benefitted from their fate > (whether chosen or not) in ways you cannot understand and, secondly, > pretending to understand such conditions, THEN judging others on this is > irresponsible. > > I'm not talking about artists being satisfied with their production or how > artists feel about their interactions with the world, I'm talking about not > judging people (artists and everyone else) by or because of their living > conditions. > > Shame on you for not seeing that. > > ---brian > > ------------------------ > Brian W. Gause > Senior Technical Writer > SECTORBASE.com > 568 Howard Street > First Floor > San Francisco, CA 94105 > Direct: (415) 365-8203 > Fax: (415) 365-8263 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James R McPherson [mailto:andregurov@juno.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:18 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] art, Miles, drugs + gratuitious Hk imitation > > > Need I use the example of none other an artist than John Coltrane, who > was kicked out of Miles' classic quintet b/c of a serious heroin > addiction. I believe the central point is that people with serious > problems create great art in spite of addiction, not because of it. You > mention musicians with whom YOU have no first hand experience. Has Brian > Eno spoken with YOU about how fantastic his production work with Laraaji > was? And how much better it was when he passed out in the engineering > chair? Or did Hendrix tell how fantastic the music in his head was while > in a 16 hour rush? In a 16 hour crash? I seriously doubt any artist > will be gratified with his production, whether straight or stoned. This > drive is what continues to make them vital. The sides of this issue can > be debated ad nauseum by people of OUR uninformed ilk. But so > charismatic and plainly wrong an example as Beethoven's deaf work holds > false when measured up to Konitz's quite personal observation. > There is a world of difference between being addled and being deaf, and > in being epileptic and smoked out. Shame on you for not knowing and > noting the difference. Try keeping your analogies on the same level of > logic. > > Yes, some IDM records sound quite fantastic while under the influence > (well, when I can manage to get them on the turntable!). I just hope the > people who make these (and any others I own) don't think they can drive > as well under the influence as they can write music to/with/under it. > > Back on topic: Lackluster's _Container_ is wonderful. Or, in Hk!'s > words, "I dig it, fellas & Cats!" Hmm, we don't know what we got 'til > it's gone ; ) Without Kelly, I feel my Nuron addiction going into > withdrawal. > > J > >>***************** >>This is plainly not true. Beethoven was deaf when he wrote his 9th >>Symphony...does this mean we have to be deaf for it to sound as good? >>Does >>the 9th Symphony then sound "terrible" to those of us that can hear? >>I mean no offense here, but it seems startling to me that you (and >>millions >>of other people) continue to argue against the use of substances with >>ZERO >>first-hand experience. >>**************** > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 6 lines but, as far as drugs/creativity ...I think drugs just make you more of who

> >but, as far as drugs/creativity ...I think drugs just make you more of who >you already are...as far as your personality goes....that doesn't mean that >they make you more you but just accentuate different parts of your >personality....plus maybe you just look at things a little differently or >maybe develop new methods or something

i disagree with the statement "drugs just make you more of who you already are", and state the massive articles out there on ritalin as my supporting argument. i *do* believe that chemical use can lower inhibition, and since a lot of current lifestyles center around very straightlaced patterns and stress situations, such a "letting loose" helps in lowering inhibitions of a creative person locked in a non-creative lifestyle. but it's the same as people saying "i'm going out to the country to do some writing". they're getting away to let their creative sides come out. whether this is a form of escapism or not is up for debate (although likely not on this list), but the truth is that the creative side has always been there. they just don't find a way to express it in their "normal" lifestyle, and often need to find some way to either a) lower inhibitions or b) escape in order to express their creativity. later on cats! Dk! ----------- "Extremism is no vice when God's on your side" -Opus the Penguin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Dear Steve

quoted 3 lines not to mention the violent offenders who get kicked out of jail to

> not to mention the violent offenders who get kicked out of jail to > make room for the poor bastard who was just hooking up his friend with > a bag a weed or tab of acid....lot's of hypocrisy in what is legal

I haven't even read any further than this, but HAVE to say to you - you have absolutely no idea just HOW to the point you are here! I live in South Africa, where we are currently witnessing 18_000 (let me say that again : eighteen thousand) prisioners being released just to make more room in the jails. This is true. Not only that, but in true form they bungled it and let 100 convicts of the wrong category go free (arsonists, violent criminals and accused murderers). We are told on the news by a sheepish-sounding representative that these people have all been recaptured and are again behind bars. No fear, folks. The streets are safe. Aaah, nothing like a little confidence in the powers that be, eh?! I * (sorry this is so off-topic... just needed to get it off my chest) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org