--- Jeff Pitrman <jeff@spof.net> wrote:
<<<Watching musicians grimace and lean into the
microphone and spin in circles while playing guitars
isn't even remotely entertaining to me.>>>
What the hell show was that? Some hair bands?
I've seen a lot of cool shows in my time. Some
memorable onee for me include seeing Skinny Puppy
(twice), and I totally loved it. Nivek with his
performance art and visuals were VERY entertaining.
Not to mention on one of the tours Cevin Key was
drumming, live drums are refreshing to hear now and
then.
David Bowie was really good when I saw him (many
years ago).
I've seen Crash Worship a few times. Sometimes I get
bored quickly at some of their shows, but nonetheless
I have had a good time at several of them.
Stereolab has been very enjoyable everytime.
Meat Beat Manifesto!!!!
Kraftwerk was awesome!!
Chain Reaction tour!!!
Primus & Metallica were good (when they were still
making good tunes). Etc. Etc. Etc.
I don't look down on artists (rock or otherwise) for
putting a lot of work into the presentation of their
performance. Perhaps that is an IDM thing to look
down on. I don't really favor idm (or it's dogma)
over other styles of music, I just like and support
what I like.
A stereotypical pop music thing would be to have a
dancer or dancers on stage while someone is
performing. Usually I would dislike something like
that. However I have seen it done in an interesting
way, when Meat Beat Manifesto played they have some
psycho guy breakdancing and shit, I thought it was
pretty cool. Actually watching some of those guys at
raves or clubs is interesting. I appreciate they have
the ability to do some of those moves. So I am not
entirely against someone performing (although in most
cases it would probably suck).
quoted 6 lines Okay, so I engaged in a bit of hyperbole.
> Okay, so I engaged in a bit of hyperbole.
> Yeah, I've seen bands
> that were engaging to see (certainly moreso than
> watching a spacebar get
> tapped every ten minutes). But that's the minority
> of bands,
I think the minority of any style of music is what is
good anyways. I tend to think 90 percent of any genre
is probably weak or crap. It's that 10% of
innovativeness or genius that I want to buy and see.
quoted 3 lines and usually what I see is the cheesy jumping up and
> and usually what I see is the cheesy jumping up and
> down by the numbers hair swinging type stuff. It
> just isn't that amusing to me anymore.
Hair bands again??
quoted 3 lines A band who is really tight and really into the music
> A band who is really tight and really into the music
> is contagious, to be sure, but that's just such the
> minority of bands I see.
I agree with that statement. It still doesn't convince
me that chin stroking and watching some click a mouse
is more worthy. Unless the music is really great.
quoted 6 lines I wasn't trying to talk smack about bands
> I wasn't trying to talk smack about bands
> as much as point out
> that, for me anyway, watching a couple guys with
> tousled hair and sweaters
> gazing at their shoes as they play is about as
> boring as watching mouse clicking.
Not for me, nothing is as boring as watching someone
stare at a computer clicking away. Bring something
else into the performance even if it is just a film
loop.
quoted 2 lines IDM shows aren't any new frontier in boringness as
> IDM shows aren't any new frontier in boringness as
> far as I'm concerned.
I don't know I have seen some really lame laptop shows
from fairly respectable artist in the IDM category.
quoted 6 lines Raves
>>> Raves
>
> Yeah. It was wishful thinking. A larger
> group of people and a more
> interactive space, if it could be less of a group
> massage set to trance music, would be my ideal.
They are pretty annoying most of the time.
Occasionally, the talent makes it worth dealing with
etards. Of course Trance is just sick and wrong
whereever you are!
quoted 1 line DJs are glorified jukeboxes.
> >>DJs are glorified jukeboxes.
Damn I wish I had a jukebox that scratched played good
tunes & dubplates. That would be awesome! Anybody
have any price quotes on a good jukebox?
quoted 11 lines No, I know all too well what I'm talking
> No, I know all too well what I'm talking
> about when it comes to
> *most* DJs. Not all DJs are jukeboxes, just almost
> all. It's a complicated
> craft, and there's some motor trickiness in getting
> everything lined up,
> but generally it's just playing tunes. There's a few
> DJs out there who do
> interesting things with vinyl, but the majority of
> the time, I am pretty
> underwhelmed by the over-glorified art of DJing.
I agree with that. Just like the bands, you only want
to see the good ones. Jeff Mills, Richie Hawtin,
Surgeon, Claude Young, and Kid Koala are definitely
not jukeboxes. If you have not seen a good dj, it's
time to go!
quoted 1 line I was more trying to point out that this is pretty
> I was more trying to point out that this is pretty
much just what the average laptop set consists of.
Being underwhelmed?
quoted 3 lines Yeah, some people are crazy interactive, but many
> Yeah, some people are crazy interactive, but many
> are going song 1->song 2->song 3 and they could just
> as well be mixing acetates.
Sounds like you should be more picky about who you
see.
quoted 4 lines Ultimately, I don't even care that much. I
> Ultimately, I don't even care that much. I
> would rather be in a cool environment with an
> engaged crowd and something to look at or something
> to do and hear good music.
Who wouldn't?
quoted 5 lines I'll take an ass-destroying "click play" set of
> I'll take an ass-destroying "click play" set of
> great music over watching some goa guys
> masturbate over a rack of synths, wildly twisting
> knobs and arpeggiating left and right only to
> produce some mediocre trance.
Well given those two options I would rather save my
money and listen to records at home. That is usually
better than going out anyway, unless it is a very good
artist or DJ.
Cheers
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