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Its funny to have the perspective where you want to say "...but that's not 'techno'..." but people won't have any clue of what you're talking about. Most people don't have the interest or patience unless it just happens to strike them. Then there's also the theory of people gradually starting to like stuff after they're exposed to it alot and frequently... I've seen it happen, but there's a great deal of mental resistance to anything "techno" (which could be a madonna dance track or noisecreator or anything in between) - cutups ----- Original Message ----- From: atomly <atomly@atomly.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [idm] IDM in the US mainstream

quoted 31 lines On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 09:07:31PM -0600, {{{5x}}} wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 09:07:31PM -0600, {{{5x}}} wrote: > > i fully agree. the best way to test this theory is to play, i dunno, > > mandell or something in the car and see how your friends react. > > quotes in my car: > > "what is this shit?" > > "please turn it off?" > > "can we listen to something else??" > > One of the funnier things that ever happened to me was when I was riding > in a car with some friends during high school and they were flipping > through radio stations. When they got to the college radio station, > they heard five seconds of electronic stuff and declared that they "hate > techno" and then proceeded to change it to the "alternative" station and > wait out a very terrible live version of "Janey Says" by Cowboy Mouth in > hopes that the next song would be good. > > I waited until we got to the restaurant to tell them that it was my song > on the college radio station and they all just kind of sat there not > knowing what to say. :) > > -- > :: atomly :: > > atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com > http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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At 10:26 PM 9/11/00 -0400, cutup wrote:

quoted 11 lines Its funny to have the perspective where you want to say

>Its funny to have the perspective where you want to say >"...but that's not 'techno'..." but people won't have any clue of what >you're talking about. >Most people don't have the interest or patience unless it just happens to >strike them. >Then there's also the theory of people gradually starting to like stuff >after they're exposed to it alot >and frequently... I've seen it happen, but there's a great deal of mental >resistance to anything "techno" >(which could be a madonna dance track or noisecreator or anything in >between)

i think a lot of it has to do with familiarity. if you present someone with something that's pretty standard, they'll listen to it, compare it to what else they've heard and liked, and formulate an opinion. most techno is either a) really boring and repetitive, or b) really different from "pop" or "rock". really boring repetitive "pop" or "rock" songs tend to die fast (although some catchy ones defy this...), and it usually takes a while for anything "different" to cause a paradigm shift. what a lot of people who dig "idm" forget is that before they really got into it, they liked a lot of pretty mainstream music (this is often the case, but not always. it's too new a "movement" for it to raise kids on (by raise i mean older than 18 :b). like all paradigm shifts, it might seem like a "well duh" thing to those in it, but to those on the outside it's still a very foreign thing. give it time, and enjoy your head start ;) besides, there are still people now who don't listen to anything released after 1979 (barring reunion albums heh heh heh) cheers, \derek ----------- "Extremism is no vice when God's on your side" -Opus the Penguin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i fully agree. the best way to test this theory is to play, i dunno, mandell or something in the car and see how your friends react. quotes in my car: "what is this shit?" "please turn it off?" "can we listen to something else??" "your order comes to $5.16" whoops, that last one was at mcdonalds. anyway, you get what i mean. i try hard to get people to listen, i really do. it just doesn't work. i've had very favorable reactions towards track 12 off the new marumari cd, though. that and iambic 5 poetry always get a good response. (((shaun)))

quoted 12 lines sorry, but since when did IDM have a definitive drum / sound effects /

> sorry, but since when did IDM have a definitive drum / sound effects / > structure? for me the whole idea of IDM is to be as creative as possible > without limitations... for me IDM is the underground before the > mainstream... > it's the experiment before the bandwagon. > although i do agree that IDM music will never catch on in the US, because > most (all) pop acts rely on their videos and images to sell their music and > often try to sell the image with it. but most IDM music makers are > experimental and often extreme, and their sound is not too often accepted by > the 'mainstream market', therefore they are not seen as money/image/trend > makers, and therefore they do not get funded to sell the music. > i know this'll start a nuclear war of words, and i apologise.

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On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 09:07:31PM -0600, {{{5x}}} wrote:

quoted 6 lines i fully agree. the best way to test this theory is to play, i dunno,

> i fully agree. the best way to test this theory is to play, i dunno, > mandell or something in the car and see how your friends react. > quotes in my car: > "what is this shit?" > "please turn it off?" > "can we listen to something else??"

One of the funnier things that ever happened to me was when I was riding in a car with some friends during high school and they were flipping through radio stations. When they got to the college radio station, they heard five seconds of electronic stuff and declared that they "hate techno" and then proceeded to change it to the "alternative" station and wait out a very terrible live version of "Janey Says" by Cowboy Mouth in hopes that the next song would be good. I waited until we got to the restaurant to tell them that it was my song on the college radio station and they all just kind of sat there not knowing what to say. :) -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

cutup wrote:

quoted 11 lines Its funny to have the perspective where you want to say

> Its funny to have the perspective where you want to say > "...but that's not 'techno'..." but people won't have any clue of what > you're talking about. > Most people don't have the interest or patience unless it just happens to > strike them. > Then there's also the theory of people gradually starting to like stuff > after they're exposed to it alot > and frequently... I've seen it happen, but there's a great deal of mental > resistance to anything "techno" > (which could be a madonna dance track or noisecreator or anything in > between)

exactly. have any of you ever tried to describe idm ( i know it's a list, not a genre; you know what i mean) to someone that doesn't know anything about it? it's the most frustrating experience ever. nobody really seems to get excited about alternate time signatures and delay effects. =) shaun --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 6 lines exactly. have any of you ever tried to describe idm ( i know it's a list,

> >exactly. have any of you ever tried to describe idm ( i know it's a list, >not a >genre; you know what i mean) to someone that doesn't know anything about it? >it's the most frustrating experience ever. nobody really seems to get excited >about alternate time signatures and delay effects. =)

i just usually say "oh just weird stuff. it tends to be made using electronics, but not exclusively". i usually get an "ohh..." as a response, meaning that they didn't really care anyways ;) idm is one of those things where you really have to hear it to believe it ;) cheers, =derek ----------- "Extremism is no vice when God's on your side" -Opus the Penguin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, {{{5x}}} wrote:

quoted 4 lines exactly. have any of you ever tried to describe idm ( i know it's a list, not a

> exactly. have any of you ever tried to describe idm ( i know it's a list, not a > genre; you know what i mean) to someone that doesn't know anything about it? > it's the most frustrating experience ever. nobody really seems to get excited > about alternate time signatures and delay effects. =)

well except for geeky trainspotters with nothing to do all day except yap online about recordings of radio static and the sound of digital processors... and by the way anybody who runs linux should try the following: cat /vmlinux > /dev/dsp (or some equivalent)... hehehe - feel the love, y'all -josh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

hi, while I'm still near my pc,would everyone mind sending out : what's playing on your stereo/pc/Mac/turntable/mp3/etc. right now, and what your impression of the sounds are? Here's mine, pure, the end of vinyl, mego is the label <deep sound, very filling> I'm just interested in making a list of some new sound to get for my next venture out. thanks! _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Speedy J - A Shocking Hobby Track 10. Amoco Cadiz Sounds? Very raw, yet fantastically cool. I swear this album was created just to shred speakers :) m00

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> -----Original Message----- > From: rebecca263 [mailto:rebecca263@netzero.net] > Sent: 12 September 2000 16:06 > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] now playing, > > > hi, while I'm still near my pc,would everyone mind sending out : > what's playing on your stereo/pc/Mac/turntable/mp3/etc. right > now, and what > your impression of the sounds are? > > Here's mine, pure, the end of vinyl, mego is the label > <deep sound, very filling> > > > I'm just interested in making a list of some new sound to get for my next > venture out. thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Why pay for something you could get for free? > NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

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quoted 6 lines hi, while I'm still near my pc,would everyone mind sending out :

>hi, while I'm still near my pc,would everyone mind sending out : > what's playing on your stereo/pc/Mac/turntable/mp3/etc. right now, and what >your impression of the sounds are? > >Here's mine, pure, the end of vinyl, mego is the label ><deep sound, very filling>

np: mick harris: having it ep + tomoroh hidari mp3s from mpe.com if you like mick's work, you'll probably enjoy all the tracks tomoroh hidari has up at mp3.com work sucks, -- -- jeremy axon open communications 34 ross street toronto ON Canada t: 416.955.1393 f: 416.955.1398 www.open.ca --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

np: lazyfish live in moscow at nativelabs taken from the native instruments website http://www.native-instruments.com nice minimal,sounding standard glitch tracks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 4 lines hi, while I'm still near my pc,would everyone mind sending out :

> hi, while I'm still near my pc,would everyone mind sending out : > what's playing on your stereo/pc/Mac/turntable/mp3/etc. right now, > and what your impression of the sounds are? >

Guy Called Gerald - "Essence" [K7] Great album.. nice vocals over really smoooth d'n'b beats. "Essence" (and the Ashley Beedle remix on vinyl for house-heads, essential!) is excellent, as are a number of the other tracks. Very consistant album. -s --- ,+'^'+, finger for pgp public key. sasha eysymontt - sage@3sheep.COM - http://subtle.org/se `+,.,+` can you imagine a world without wires? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Cex - Role Model Awesome programming and DSP crunchiness. Definitely one of the best American IDM artists out there. Bernhard Gunter - buddha with the sun face / buddha with the moon face Nice little scratchy sounds. Very nice at really high volume. Ruben Gonzalez - introducing... I guess I've finally given in to the whole Buena Vista Social Club thing. DMX - "Waas Maa Naame ?" You know... And I've heard some briliant, new and unreleased music by Hrvatski and by Zammuto (not together). Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 11:06 AM 9/12/2000 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 6 lines hi, while I'm still near my pc,would everyone mind sending out :

>hi, while I'm still near my pc,would everyone mind sending out : > what's playing on your stereo/pc/Mac/turntable/mp3/etc. right now, and what >your impression of the sounds are? > >Here's mine, pure, the end of vinyl, mego is the label ><deep sound, very filling>

Here are the releases that have been keeping my ears company during my during my long work days. It's a big list but just thought i'd mention them all since i havent had a chance to do so lately... . Collectivism comp cd (Raya) . Loam: s/t cdr (Topscore) . Gliese: 2076-2096 cdr (Agrolights) . Christophe Charles: undirected/dok cd (Ritormell) . Schlammpeitziger: augenwischwaldmoppgeflöte cd (A-Musik) . B. Fleischmann: a choir of empty beds cd (Fuzzy Box) . Plaid: trainer 2xcd (Warp) . Hmmm comp cd (Sprawl Imprint) . Rauschen 15 comp cd (Force Inc) . Process: musik aus buenos aires remix 12" (Traum) . Donnacha Costello: growing up in public cd (Force Inc) . Kid606: ps i love you cd (Mille Plateaux) . Cog/Polmo Polpo split 12" (AudiSensa) . Dot/Wiggin split 12" (AudiSensa) . V/vm: sick love cd (V/vm Test Recordings) . V/vm with Loin El Glitchie: all night long 7" (V/vm Test Recordings) . Peel Seamus: shifting gears 12" (Delsin) . Languis/Safety Scissors split 10" (Plug Research) . Sybarite: otonomy 7" (Static Caravan) . Christian Kleine: minus time 7" (City Centre Offices) . Detroit Escalator Co: black buildings 2x10" (Peacefrog) . Ibex: s/t 12" (Planet E) . Jega: geometry cd (Matador) . Unagi Patrol: elevate and pool cd (Carpet bomb) . Vert: the köln konzert cd (Sonig) . C-Schulz & Hajsch: s/t cd (Sonig) . Sean Deason: allegory & metaphor cd (Intuit Solar) . Pluramon: bit sand riders remix cd (Mille Plateaux) . Tone Language: patience is the key cd (Korm Plastics) . Move D/Sutekh split 10" (Plug Research) . Lester Lewitt: kombinations hypothetiqs cd (Elf Cut) . Tomas Jirku: variants cd (Alien8) . Robert Babicz: desert cd (Mille Pleateaux) . Putting the Morr Back in Morrisey comp 2xcd (Morr Music) . Microstoria: improvisors lp (Sonig) . Metamatics & Clatterbox: project unison cd (Neo Oujia) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Squadron, the Merck records compilation. It's really nice melodies with complex rhythms, sort of like the Schematic stuff but much nicer to listen to IMO. Here's a tracklisting: Various Artists - Squadron (Merck 2000) 01 Lackluster - Intro 1 (Frank Bolero Construct) 02 Proswell - Jasmine My Serious Flower 03 Sense - Day Off 04 Lexaunculpt - Tell Me You Love Me 05 Md - Fres Core 06 Brothomstates - 24101999 07 Salice - Blue Edge 08 Komp - Her Dear Love 09 Novel 23 - LOmbre Nel Cuore 10 Fizzarum - Vesat 11 Bauri - Stealth Style 12 Syndromne - Ifni 13 Ambidextrous - 6 Million Forms 14 Machine Drum - Izey Rael Definitely recommended. Also if you like this kind of thing I'd also recommend the Toytronic records compilation, Neurokinetic. It's a similar vibe and like Squadron it's good quality stuff all the way through. If you can't find it anywhere else I know Sister Ray stock it: www.sisterray.co.uk Various Artists - Neurokinetic (Toytronic 2000) 01 dude - wave1 02 CiM - shift 03 arovane - actel 04 funckarma - nushuz (2000mix) 05 mr. projectile - impregnator 06 gimmik - wavefiles 07 abfahrt hinwil - syntax data 08 m - francoise 09 multiplex - compuphonic (edit) 10 num num - fictional reality 11 proem - glass 12 quench - charge 13 novel23 - blink run away to east 14 m-tech - nitch 15 digitonal - drencrom 16 fizzarum - microphorus Also recently played on my pc, Circulation - Colours (Circulation 2000), which is a gorgeous deep/tech-house double cd. Nothing too experimental if that's what your after, but it's great dancefloor music with some beautiful Mr Fingers style melodies. Ross. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rebecca263" <rebecca263@netzero.net> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: [idm] now playing,

quoted 2 lines hi, while I'm still near my pc,would everyone mind sending out :

> hi, while I'm still near my pc,would everyone mind sending out : > what's playing on your stereo/pc/Mac/turntable/mp3/etc. right now, and

what

quoted 20 lines your impression of the sounds are?

> your impression of the sounds are? > > Here's mine, pure, the end of vinyl, mego is the label > <deep sound, very filling> > > > I'm just interested in making a list of some new sound to get for my next > venture out. thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Why pay for something you could get for free? > NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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my Random Music for a Set folder: hakan libdo - reasonable doubt Quadrant - infinition balil - small energies squarepusher - Iambic 5 poetry dave clarke - spendour yannek - without (acappella) massive attack - tear drop plaid - shackbu that's an odd mix i must say :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

sorry, but since when did IDM have a definitive drum / sound effects / structure? for me the whole idea of IDM is to be as creative as possible without limitations... for me IDM is the underground before the mainstream... it's the experiment before the bandwagon. although i do agree that IDM music will never catch on in the US, because most (all) pop acts rely on their videos and images to sell their music and often try to sell the image with it. but most IDM music makers are experimental and often extreme, and their sound is not too often accepted by the 'mainstream market', therefore they are not seen as money/image/trend makers, and therefore they do not get funded to sell the music. i know this'll start a nuclear war of words, and i apologise.

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>From: Cichli@aol.com >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] IDM in the US mainstream >Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:55:38 EDT > >josh wrote: >[i give it a year, maybe less. "modern rock" is so stagnant we are due for >another Nirvana-style paradigm shift.......but "IDM" in it's current state >will never make it to the mainstream in the USA because there are no >vocals.] > >i'm actually starting a project right now with some friends like this. >it's >gonna be me on guitars/programming, my friend Nate on bass and my friend >Brandy on vocals. it's gonna have all the IDM drums, sound effects, and >structures with guitars and vocals. as far as the style, it'll probably >range from Tool and Deftones to Sarah McLachlan and Portishead. if it >works out it will be orignal to say the least, and it may even be a >mainstream kinda sound. who knows...... > > :jason (ecux) > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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