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2000-09-06 19:37Jamie Osborne [idm] Jazz vs. IDM
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2000-09-06 21:02James R McPherson [idm] Jazz and IDM
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2000-09-06 19:37Jamie Osborne9/6/00 Dear Friends/Fellow Workers, How goes the struggle? I am looking for some recommend
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9/6/00 Dear Friends/Fellow Workers, How goes the struggle? I am looking for some recommendations for IDM with jazz textures/melodic themes. I love the improvisation and expression of "jazz." I also dig it's constantly transforming nature and it's ability to reflect and examine pop music. Like it or not, some IDM does fall under the definition of pop music (but thas another story, boss). I am particular towards any type of non-traditional or experimental jazz. I host a radio show on KGNU, Boulder 88.5fm (www.kgnu.org) and like to focus on the weird and out stuff. I also offer contrasting images of idm, swing, gospel, soul and hip-hop all in the context of influences in a continuous mix format. It is great fun really. There is no future without the past. I am opening up this forum for any suggestions/comments/etc. Do you have a favorite IDM artist who dabbles in jazz, or a favorite jazz artist who dabbles in IDM? When does it work? When/Why does it fall flat (i.e., Greg Osby's 3-D Lifestyles)? Is there a quintessential jazz meets IDM album? Any favorite transitions between the two? Here is my short list of IDM/jazzers (or jazzer/IDMs): 1. Amon Tobin/Cujo (all) 2. DJ Cam (all) 3. DJ Krush (any recommendations?) 4. Graham Haynes (BPM) 5. Tim Hagans (Imagination/Animation) 6. Squarepusher (any recommendations?) 7. Cinematic Orchestra (motion) 8. Innerzone Orchestra (programmed) 9. Up Bustle and Out (any recommendations?) 10. Roni Size (reprazent) 11. Courtney Pine (any recommendations?) Can I get a witness. Jamie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-06 19:39Matthew GuestAnything by Clifford Gilberto... -matT ---------------------------------------------------
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Anything by Clifford Gilberto... -matT --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-06 20:14martin burbridgeJamie jazzed about many things: > 1. Amon Tobin/Cujo (all) the new spring heel jack _disap
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Jamie jazzed about many things:
quoted 1 line 1. Amon Tobin/Cujo (all)> 1. Amon Tobin/Cujo (all)
the new spring heel jack _disappeared_ reminds me of what later tobin (_permutation_ onwards>>) would sound like if he played instruments instead of sampled. i mention this because a) you may like it and b) i have lost count of the number of times people complain that amon just plays records. its what he does.
quoted 1 line 6. Squarepusher (any recommendations?)> 6. Squarepusher (any recommendations?)
personally, _hard normal daddy_ is the most comprehansive mangling of both genres. i would easily recommend anything upto and including _big loada_. after that (_rotten music notes ..._ >>>) he seemed to take himself more seriously as a musician and artist. ho hum.
quoted 1 line 10. Roni Size (reprazent)> 10. Roni Size (reprazent)
somewhere in a parallel universe, roni size is rightly pilloried as a purveyor of plastic jazzy jungle lite. and they are all laughing at us. some additions ... vert _the koln konzert_ picked this up because it was cheap and on sonig. had an early vert 12" that was pretty disasterous so wasn't really hoping for much. sounds like one long segment, its broken into four or five tracks. live improvisational piano jazz, that mutates occasionally into full blown mego like noise. electronic chatters and glitches are often in the background. has me wondering if i should get the keith jarret inspiration for this. i'm tending to yes at the moment. fridge _eph_ _of ep_ and the other recent ep, plus four tet _camomile_ _dialogue_ _32 or 36 something_. the four tet stuff is probably more consistently jazzy, there is more rock/pop in some fridge, but then some fridge is more idm than jazz as well. four tet is one of fridge. all very confusing. get them all. -martin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-06 21:02James R McPherson>When does it work? Is there a quintessential jazz meets IDM album? It works when people a
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quoted 1 line When does it work? Is there a quintessential jazz meets IDM album?>When does it work? Is there a quintessential jazz meets IDM album?
It works when people are versed in both arenas and play with a desire to create something live and not in the producer's studio. Which means it doesn't work very often. And no, there isn't. Although Richard Thomas' latest _Soggy Martyrs_ (Lo Recordings) comes close in my estimation (which isn't worth very much).
quoted 3 lines the new spring heel jack _disappeared_ reminds me of what later tobin>the new spring heel jack _disappeared_ reminds me of what later tobin >(_permutation_ onwards>>) would sound like if he played instruments >instead
Yes. Yes. Yes. Their last 2 full lengths (and sundry eps) show SHJ stretching out further ahead of the pack and creating some dangerously unstable music. Pop right next to academic excursion. I have the feeling their next album will lose them many fans (and this is a good thing, right?).
quoted 2 lines fridge _eph_ _of ep_ and the other recent ep, plus four tet _camomile_>fridge _eph_ _of ep_ and the other recent ep, plus four tet _camomile_ >_dialogue_ _32 or 36 something_.
Yeah, the Fourtet stuff is quite good - surprising textures stitched together with melody and spunk. Some of Fridge's works bore me, but others are very solid. Their 7" & 12" collection _Sevens and Twelves_ showcases them very well, while _Semaphore_ lacks the creative drive (it seems) that others of their spotty backcatalogue carry. Also, some of DJ Vadim/Andre Gurov's early stuff shares the improvisational impetus. Unlike Cam's process of mixing hip-hop beats with meandering riffs (which to me seems like an extension of Pete Rock's absolutely essential work) Vadim works much more unusual sounds in an improvisational way. It's jazz while not being jazzy. Carl Craig's Innerzone Orchestra attempts a more traditional melding of jazz with electronics, as does much of David Moufang's work (Conjoint, Move D, Source Records). Related to Moufang's work is his lately reappeared partner-in-Conjoint-crime, Jamie Hodge. His track on the Plug Research comp _Voices in My Lunchbox_, "You,re Right, There,s Nothing Left" is the standout cut on that very fine album. I've heard Spacetime Continuum (whose Jonah Sharpe is a former acid jazz session drummer) has taken this direction as well of late. And it cannot be said often enough that much of the Detroit ethic shares similarities with jazz (and as fine an artist of Kirk DeGiorgio harps on it quite a bit). Check As One's _Planetary Folklore_ on Mo' Wax, or even Carl Craig's _More Songs of Food and Revolutionary Art_ (Planet E). Other labels to watch for are Compost, ESL (who take exotica and Brazilian music a bit too far sometimes), Talkin' Loud (mmm .. Terry Callier) or just take the shortcut and read the bizarrely fonted Straight No Chaser. Hey they had pictures of Yusef Lateef last issue! Can't be all bad ; ) And bonus points for referring to us as workers. J "You should dream more, Mr. Wormold. Reality in our century is not something to be faced." - _Our Man in Havana_ Join The Party @www.cpusa.org ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org