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quoted 3 lines 3. How did the term "jungle" come to mean what it

> > 3. How did the term "jungle" come to mean what it > does now? it seems > > to be a rather unfitting word.

i *thought* the term jungle came from a ragga call that was found on many of the early dnb choons. . ."The Jungle" was a nickname for the "Tivoli Gardens" neighborhood in Kingston, Jamaica. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

3 things: 1. how's the hallucinator album "landlocked"? Is there more to this than the textbook chain reaction release? how does it compare to the CR releases by say, vladislav delay or monolake? 2. The Venetian Snares album <printf:/"shiver in eternal darkness"> is too phat not to be mentioned on the list yet again. In feel and mood this reminds me of Download's "Charlies Family", specifically in the use of samples to create a genuinely creepy mood--of course where key and goettel put washes of noise, aaron funk inserts creatively structured and very rockin drum n bass madness, nicely sending a variety of sounds throuhg his sequencers, not just the same old drum samples. puts panacea's laughable "i'm so eevil and dark (and fat)" posturing to shame. 3. How did the term "jungle" come to mean what it does now? it seems to be a rather unfitting word. choralone5 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Jungle is music for car commercials. -----Original Message----- From : Eddie Symons <Eddie.Symons@JesterInteractive.com> To : idm@hyperreal.org Date : 05 September 2000 10:11:52 Subject : [idm] Re: [idm} jungle

quoted 16 lines 3. How did the term ?jungle? come to mean what it does now? it seems

> 3. How did the term ?jungle? come to mean what it does now? it seems >> to be a rather unfitting word. >> >There's a few stories of how the term came about, but I can only remember >the one that says it comes from a conversation between goldie and doc scott, >where doc scott described the emerging sound as music for the urban jungle >or something. As I said though, there's a few different stories. > >Eddie > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 1 line Jungle is music for car commercials.

>Jungle is music for car commercials.

What absolute fucking rubbish. It's music for all kinds of commercials. ;) Eddie (I don't actually thinks it is, but could you possibly be arsed arguing over a point like that?) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 2 lines Jungle is music for car commercials.

> > Jungle is music for car commercials.

It looks like Jungle is used to sell everything else, but cars. The Orb & Meat Beat Manifesto are used in car adds. And Aphex Twin for car tires. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

dude, come on, all they use is jungle and like techno

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> -----Original Message----- > From: William Samuels [mailto:w_technoir@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:59 AM > To: glammer@another.com; idm@hyperreal.com > Subject: Re: [idm] Re: [idm} jungle > > > --- glammer@another.com wrote: > > > > Jungle is music for car commercials. > > It looks like Jungle is used to sell everything else, > but cars. The Orb & Meat Beat Manifesto are used in > car adds. And Aphex Twin for car tires. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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--- Eddie Symons <Eddie.Symons@JesterInteractive.com> wrote:

quoted 10 lines 3. How did the term "jungle" come to mean what it

> > 3. How did the term "jungle" come to mean what it > does now? it seems > > to be a rather unfitting word. > > > There's a few stories of how the term came about, > but I can only remember the one that says it comes > from a conversation between goldie and doc scott, > where doc scott described the emerging sound as > music for the urban jungle or something. As I said > though, there's a few different stories.

I'm not sure exactly how the term "jungle" first came about. Here is a brief little history of some of the early days. I don't know how accurate it is. ________ Although the Rave scene was in no way racist, black people didn't feel they had that much allegiance to it, there was no traditional reggae or ragga in Rave. Although House and Techno had their origins in Black music, it was now now seen as a global, multi-cultural music. To redress the balance, East London based, Ibiza records starting fusing hiphop beats and the reggae culture with House and Techno to produce a brand new sound, which they called Jungle. UK Hardcore '91 saw the birth of UK Hardcore, this was the next installment in the History of jungle. Sped up HipHop breaks, with harder, more menacing sounds characterised the genre. Ragga This form of Jungle was one of the first styles to be commonly known. It began after the Rave scene but was used by many DJ's who began to experiment with this genre of music. The results were phenominal and everyone was taken aback by the impact it had on the progression from rave to Jungle. Jungle There are many genres belonging to the Jungle classification of music and everyone of these genres represents an evolutionary process in which Jungle was allowed to grow and develop as to the speed and requirements of those who were creating it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

As much as I hate to parrot Simon Reynolds, here's another origin theory (pulled out of a list archive): <<Generation Ecstasy P.257: 'Even the name "jungle" comes from Jamaica (as does its more baldly descriptive synonym, "drum and bass"). According to MC Navigator from London's ruling pirate station Kool FM, "jungle" comes from "junglist", and was first heard in 1991 as a sample used by Rebel MC (who pioneered British hip-house in the early nineties, then formed the proto-jungle label X Project). "Rebel got this chant - 'alla the junglists' - from a yard tape," Navigator told me, referring to the sound-system mix tapes imported from Jamaica. (Yard is a slang term for Kingston and the root of "yardie", a hustler or hoodlum.) There's a place in Kingston called Tivoli Gardens, and the people call it the Jungle. When you hear on a yard tape the MC sending a big-up to 'alla the junglists,' they're calling out a posse from Tivoli. When Rebel sampled that, the people cottoned on, and soon they started to call the music "Jungle."'>> Additionally (I'm not sure if Reynolds gets into it or not), 'jungle' has been around as both a musical adjective and noun since the 1940s. I don't really know anything about jazz but I think the term started during Duke Ellington's "jungle period" (e.g. 'Jungle Money' LP) in the 40s. It described a particularly frenetic, funky, 'African' style of rhythm. The term was racist and derogatory by the 1950s. People would frequently deride the nascient rock 'n roll as Afrocentric 'jungle music.' I have no idea how this old use of the term relates (if at all) to the current sense (drum 'n bass), but there's obviously some parallels there, in both the funky syncopation and the race issue. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 14 lines Additionally (I'm not sure if Reynolds gets into

>Additionally (I'm not sure if Reynolds gets into >it or not), 'jungle' has been around as both a >musical adjective and noun since the 1940s. I >don't really know anything about jazz but I think >the term started during Duke Ellington's "jungle >period" (e.g. 'Jungle Money' LP) in the 40s. It >described a particularly frenetic, funky, 'African' >style of rhythm. The term was racist and derogatory >by the 1950s. People would frequently deride the >nascient rock 'n roll as Afrocentric 'jungle music.' >I have no idea how this old use of the term >relates (if at all) to the current sense (drum 'n >bass), but there's obviously some parallels there, >in both the funky syncopation and the race issue.

this would explain why a lot of hip-hop utilizes breaks, just of a slower variety. it would also explain why "jungle" sounds jazzier, since a lot of jazz focused on non-european conventions, and was performed mainly by darker skinned people having a more recent african heritage than their escapist, denial-enveloped european cousins (heh heh heh) besides, mr reynolds says drum 'n bass and jungle are the same, whilst anyone wif half a brain knows they're different. :b heh heh \derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org