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RE: [idm] Time Signature - Squarepusher

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2000-08-17 15:05Chris Fahey RE: [idm] Time Signature - Squarepusher
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2000-08-17 16:02ed Re: [idm] Time Signature - Squarepusher
2000-08-18 08:29Re: [idm] Time Signature - Squarepusher
2000-08-19 03:05Ian Doyle RE: [idm] Time Signature - Squarepusher
2000-08-19 07:11steve Re: [idm] Time Signature - Squarepusher
2000-08-19 21:39Daniel Laburu Re: [idm] Time Signature - Squarepusher
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2000-08-17 15:05Chris FaheyOn the cover of "feed me weird things", in the liner notes by RDJ, there's a story about h
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On the cover of "feed me weird things", in the liner notes by RDJ, there's a story about how Tom Jenkinson, the dealer of squares himself (hey, maybe that's where his name comes from - Square deal --> dealer=pusher --> Squarepusher!) was performing something at 357 bpm, or some ridiculously huge ODD number. Now, I may be a moron and all, but what's the point of 357 bpm? Anything over 160-180 bpm (if it's going to sound like anything besides a buzzing noise) usually is just something like 80-90 bpm in double time, as any "Amen+DubBass" d&b artist knows, with entire drum riffs effectively used as single beats. Anything that was really at 357 bpm would sound like a whirrring sound if there were anything playing on each beat. This is why so many people dance like spastic rhythm-impaired freaks at D&B and IDM shows - they trip out on the fast parts, when the soul's really in the slow, and they flail their arms, fists, and legs around like maniacs because they can't seem to locate the groove in the song. I don't think any human being can effectively follow a musical pattern where changes occurred at a rate of 357 times per second. Chances are what RDJ heard was was really a fast 130-150 bmp track that had a lot of much faster drum riffs being repeated. Either that or, um, maybe he was emplying hyperbole. ;) -cf --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-08-17 15:34Josh Davisoni think it might have been hyperbole, just a hunch since he also mentions TJ recording the
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i think it might have been hyperbole, just a hunch since he also mentions TJ recording the sounds of SIMMS dissolving like alka selzer or some such bizzarre imagery... :) -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Chris Fahey wrote:
quoted 30 lines On the cover of "feed me weird things", in the liner notes by RDJ, there's > On the cover of "feed me weird things", in the liner notes by RDJ, there's a > story about how Tom Jenkinson, the dealer of squares himself (hey, maybe > that's where his name comes from - Square deal --> dealer=pusher --> > Squarepusher!) was performing something at 357 bpm, or some ridiculously > huge ODD number. > > Now, I may be a moron and all, but what's the point of 357 bpm? Anything > over 160-180 bpm (if it's going to sound like anything besides a buzzing > noise) usually is just something like 80-90 bpm in double time, as any > "Amen+DubBass" d&b artist knows, with entire drum riffs effectively used as > single beats. Anything that was really at 357 bpm would sound like a > whirrring sound if there were anything playing on each beat. > > This is why so many people dance like spastic rhythm-impaired freaks at D&B > and IDM shows - they trip out on the fast parts, when the soul's really in > the slow, and they flail their arms, fists, and legs around like maniacs > because they can't seem to locate the groove in the song. I don't think any > human being can effectively follow a musical pattern where changes occurred > at a rate of 357 times per second. Chances are what RDJ heard was was really > a fast 130-150 bmp track that had a lot of much faster drum riffs being > repeated. Either that or, um, maybe he was emplying hyperbole. ;) > > -cf > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2000-08-17 16:02ed> Now, I may be a moron and all, but what's the point of 357 bpm? Well the only real reaso
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quoted 1 line Now, I may be a moron and all, but what's the point of 357 bpm?> Now, I may be a moron and all, but what's the point of 357 bpm?
Well the only real reason to play at such high BPMs (aside from a fractured thought-process) is to have more divisions of the beat. Instead of playing on the 1 and 2 beat at 170 (about 1/2 of 357), he may play on the down beat of each measure...but then when he wants to scare people, he can place an extremely fast drum fill/crazy buzzy sounds in there because of the extreme beat subdivision. 357 BPM IS A bit extreme, but then again we're talking Tom Jenkinson here... I sometimes compose at 260 when I really want the tune to be at 130 - for the reasons stated above...but 357? Only the Pusher can get away with that. Peace and hard beats Ed -=Funk and Fury of the Breakbeat variety=- -= http://www.nubreaks.com =- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-08-18 08:29kwenborg@thorn.navy.mil>357 BPM IS A bit extreme, but then again we're talking >Tom Jenkinson here... I sometimes
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quoted 3 lines 357 BPM IS A bit extreme, but then again we're talking>357 BPM IS A bit extreme, but then again we're talking >Tom Jenkinson here... I sometimes compose at 260 when I really want the >tune to be at 130 - for the reasons stated above...but 357? Only the
Pusher
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Nonsense. +500 bpm is a breeze, you just have to force your head around it so you can get those nasty dentist-drill snap rolls without turning everything else into a drumkit-falling-down-the-stairs simulator. !!aSQ!! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-08-19 03:05Ian Doylewell, you know that sparking drum beat sound that Squarepusher does? like drum beats being
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well, you know that sparking drum beat sound that Squarepusher does? like drum beats being reapeated at incredibly fast rates?well that's the reason behind the fast tempo....if you have FruityLoops, i think there's a song that comes with it that sounds a LOT like squarepusher, look at the BPM....well what a surprise! 300BPM (the fastest that fruity can go)...why don't you try it....
quoted 30 lines On the cover of "feed me weird things", in the liner notes by RDJ,> > On the cover of "feed me weird things", in the liner notes by RDJ, >there's a > > story about how Tom Jenkinson, the dealer of squares himself (hey, maybe > > that's where his name comes from - Square deal --> dealer=pusher --> > > Squarepusher!) was performing something at 357 bpm, or some ridiculously > > huge ODD number. > > > > Now, I may be a moron and all, but what's the point of 357 bpm? Anything > > over 160-180 bpm (if it's going to sound like anything besides a buzzing > > noise) usually is just something like 80-90 bpm in double time, as any > > "Amen+DubBass" d&b artist knows, with entire drum riffs effectively used >as > > single beats. Anything that was really at 357 bpm would sound like a > > whirrring sound if there were anything playing on each beat. > > > > This is why so many people dance like spastic rhythm-impaired freaks at >D&B > > and IDM shows - they trip out on the fast parts, when the soul's really >in > > the slow, and they flail their arms, fists, and legs around like maniacs > > because they can't seem to locate the groove in the song. I don't think >any > > human being can effectively follow a musical pattern where changes >occurred > > at a rate of 357 times per second. Chances are what RDJ heard was was >really > > a fast 130-150 bmp track that had a lot of much faster drum riffs being > > repeated. Either that or, um, maybe he was emplying hyperbole. ;) > > > > -cf
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2000-08-19 07:11stevemaybe the point of some songs is not to have a groove.... ---------- >From: "Ian Doyle" <w
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maybe the point of some songs is not to have a groove.... ----------
quoted 5 lines From: "Ian Doyle" <wobbyamb@hotmail.com>>From: "Ian Doyle" <wobbyamb@hotmail.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [idm] Time Signature - Squarepusher >Date: Fri, Aug 18, 2000, 7:05 PM >
quoted 52 lines well, you know that sparking drum beat sound that Squarepusher does? like> > > well, you know that sparking drum beat sound that Squarepusher does? like > drum beats being reapeated at incredibly fast rates?well that's the reason > behind the fast tempo....if you have FruityLoops, i think there's a song > that comes with it that sounds a LOT like squarepusher, look at the > BPM....well what a surprise! 300BPM (the fastest that fruity can go)...why > don't you try it.... > > > >> > On the cover of "feed me weird things", in the liner notes by RDJ, >>there's a >> > story about how Tom Jenkinson, the dealer of squares himself (hey, maybe >> > that's where his name comes from - Square deal --> dealer=pusher --> >> > Squarepusher!) was performing something at 357 bpm, or some ridiculously >> > huge ODD number. >> > >> > Now, I may be a moron and all, but what's the point of 357 bpm? Anything >> > over 160-180 bpm (if it's going to sound like anything besides a buzzing >> > noise) usually is just something like 80-90 bpm in double time, as any >> > "Amen+DubBass" d&b artist knows, with entire drum riffs effectively used >>as >> > single beats. Anything that was really at 357 bpm would sound like a >> > whirrring sound if there were anything playing on each beat. >> > >> > This is why so many people dance like spastic rhythm-impaired freaks at >>D&B >> > and IDM shows - they trip out on the fast parts, when the soul's really >>in >> > the slow, and they flail their arms, fists, and legs around like maniacs >> > because they can't seem to locate the groove in the song. I don't think >>any >> > human being can effectively follow a musical pattern where changes >>occurred >> > at a rate of 357 times per second. Chances are what RDJ heard was was >>really >> > a fast 130-150 bmp track that had a lot of much faster drum riffs being >> > repeated. Either that or, um, maybe he was emplying hyperbole. ;) >> > >> > -cf > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2000-08-19 21:39Daniel Laburui dont know if you have an old version of fruity, but mine goes up to 999 tempo! crazay yo
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i dont know if you have an old version of fruity, but mine goes up to 999 tempo! crazay yo ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Doyle <wobbyamb@hotmail.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 8:05 PM Subject: RE: [idm] Time Signature - Squarepusher
quoted 14 lines well, you know that sparking drum beat sound that Squarepusher does? like> > > well, you know that sparking drum beat sound that Squarepusher does? like > drum beats being reapeated at incredibly fast rates?well that's the reason > behind the fast tempo....if you have FruityLoops, i think there's a song > that comes with it that sounds a LOT like squarepusher, look at the > BPM....well what a surprise! 300BPM (the fastest that fruity can go)...why > don't you try it.... > > > > > > On the cover of "feed me weird things", in the liner notes by RDJ, > >there's a > > > story about how Tom Jenkinson, the dealer of squares himself (hey,
maybe
quoted 2 lines that's where his name comes from - Square deal --> dealer=pusher -->> > > that's where his name comes from - Square deal --> dealer=pusher --> > > > Squarepusher!) was performing something at 357 bpm, or some
ridiculously
quoted 3 lines huge ODD number.> > > huge ODD number. > > > > > > Now, I may be a moron and all, but what's the point of 357 bpm?
Anything
quoted 1 line over 160-180 bpm (if it's going to sound like anything besides a> > > over 160-180 bpm (if it's going to sound like anything besides a
buzzing
quoted 2 lines noise) usually is just something like 80-90 bpm in double time, as any> > > noise) usually is just something like 80-90 bpm in double time, as any > > > "Amen+DubBass" d&b artist knows, with entire drum riffs effectively
used
quoted 5 lines as> >as > > > single beats. Anything that was really at 357 bpm would sound like a > > > whirrring sound if there were anything playing on each beat. > > > > > > This is why so many people dance like spastic rhythm-impaired freaks
at
quoted 2 lines D&B> >D&B > > > and IDM shows - they trip out on the fast parts, when the soul's
really
quoted 2 lines in> >in > > > the slow, and they flail their arms, fists, and legs around like
maniacs
quoted 1 line because they can't seem to locate the groove in the song. I don't> > > because they can't seem to locate the groove in the song. I don't
think
quoted 6 lines any> >any > > > human being can effectively follow a musical pattern where changes > >occurred > > > at a rate of 357 times per second. Chances are what RDJ heard was was > >really > > > a fast 130-150 bmp track that had a lot of much faster drum riffs
being
quoted 14 lines repeated. Either that or, um, maybe he was emplying hyperbole. ;)> > > repeated. Either that or, um, maybe he was emplying hyperbole. ;) > > > > > > -cf > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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