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all very interesting, and quite true i'm sure, but is there a term fo rthe four on the floor drudgery that is the founding basis for dance music? quarter beat? i dunno? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

no there is no term, the term you mentioned is one though. I like to call it 'boring' but thats only cause I have a huge bias against 4TTF cause Ive heard lots of shitty house and techno. There is no musical term for it, however, as far as I know. Except maybe 4 quarter note beat? :P and chris f., thats what I meant, 44 could be 6/8 or 8/8 or 2/4 or anything, time sigs are quite ambiguous, (but actually classical composers differentiated in between 2/2 and 4/4 for example, they had different 'feels'... this is analgous to enharmonic tones, ie C# and Db). My bad tho I dont even knwo the tune youre talking about.

quoted 2 lines I think IDM fans (and critics) habitually confuse syncopation with time

>I think IDM fans (and critics) habitually confuse syncopation with time >signature trickery to make themselves feel smarter. (I'm not saying you

did,

quoted 1 line Ian)

>Ian)

heh, IDM fans and critics do lots of thing sto make themselves feel smarter probably, were all pretentious motherfuckers, ovbiously. At least I am. Just kidding. Anyway, I disagree, I think people just look at time sigs easier than they can look at syncopation, many people dont understand the simple concept syncopation as well as they should; many people dont know about syncopation notation for 4/4 (ie dotted note values). but I'm an idiot. just thought Id point that out, too. bI ian -----Original Message----- From: alex_tea [mailto:alex_tea@popstar.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:05 PM To: idm Subject: Re: [idm] RE: Amen (was [idm] blade-runner/dune) all very interesting, and quite true i'm sure, but is there a term fo rthe four on the floor drudgery that is the founding basis for dance music? quarter beat? i dunno? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines and chris f., thats what I meant, 44 could be 6/8 or 8/8 or

> and chris f., thats what I meant, 44 could be 6/8 or 8/8 or > 2/4 or anything,

Actually, 4/4 can't be 6/8 -- unless you are willing to be such an ambiguity lover to also think that "Hi there" means "Hit here".

quoted 3 lines heh, IDM fans and critics do lots of things to make

> heh, IDM fans and critics do lots of things to make > themselves feel smarter > probably, were all pretentious motherfuckers, ovbiously.

Totally! Me especially!

quoted 2 lines Anyway, I disagree, I think people just look at time

> Anyway, I disagree, I think people just look at time > sigs easier than they can look at syncopation,

I think lots of people don't understand either concept at all. I'm not a music major, so you gotta take what I say with a grain of salt.

quoted 2 lines but I'm an idiot. just

> but I'm an idiot. just > thought Id point that out, too.

As anyone who knows me can attest, I am a complete fucking moron myself. How's that for a grain of salt? -cf --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

to be a total music nerd... 4/4 CAN sound like 6/8 if you play it "swingy" enough -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

No, it can't. I think what you are trying to say is that 4/4 can sound like 12/8, which it can. but there is no possible way for four beats to occupy the space of six. C'mon guys, it's simple math! -lee On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Josh Davison wrote:

quoted 12 lines to be a total music nerd...

> to be a total music nerd... > > 4/4 CAN sound like 6/8 if you play it "swingy" enough > -- > String Theory : Digital Music for Humans > http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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-----Original Message----- From: Chris Fahey [mailto:Chris.Fahey@raremedium.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 2:53 PM To: 'Ian Pojman'; IDM (E-mail) Subject: RE: [idm] RE: Amen (was [idm] blade-runner/dune) -> cf/alextea

quoted 2 lines and chris f., thats what I meant, 44 could be 6/8 or 8/8 or

> and chris f., thats what I meant, 44 could be 6/8 or 8/8 or > 2/4 or anything,

Actually, 4/4 can't be 6/8 -- unless you are willing to be such an ambiguity lover to also think that "Hi there" means "Hit here". -- no no. you can view the first and last sets of 3 in a 6/8 measure as sets of 2 beats, .. actually better said, you can look at the the 4 beats in 4/4 as 2 sets of triplets, or 6/8, because each quarter note is worth 1/3rd of a half note, make any sense? it can be interepreted if not written on a staff those two ways. If youre listening to the music, you could interpret it as 128/128 or 1/1 just as you could call it 4/4. See what I mean? Its all in how its written. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org