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2000-08-15 18:06Gause, BrianIDM = Intelligent Discussion of Music? hrm...could be catchy...kinda like our own little c

From:: Gause, Brian <bgause@SECTORBASE.COM>
To:: 'Scott Pactor' <scottpactor@yahoo.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:06:55 -0700
Subject:: RE: [idm] Swayzak and the Enigmatic Nature of "Tech House"

IDM = Intelligent Discussion of Music? hrm...could be catchy...kinda like our own little club, albeit a superior little club. ---brian btw, I've got this Swayzak disk and, whatever it is, I like it. And actually, I DO like the kirsty hawkshaw track...nice to hear her voice again. ------------------------ Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 365-8203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 -----Original Message----- From: Scott Pactor [mailto:scottpactor@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:11 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] Swayzak and the Enigmatic Nature of "Tech House" Well, Swayzak has been popping up here and there so I thought I would ask the following set of questions to the collective: 1. When people say "tech-house" to describe an artist (as I have seen for Swayzak) does it mean "house taking advantage of production techniques used in techno"? Or what... I know everybody on this list gets all uptight about the labeling so don't nobody flip out on this one. 2. Are there notable tech-house "club nights" in the Uk or US? 3. Is there a label which has "pioneered the tech house" sound? 4. And the super bonus nerdy IDMer question: What is the origin of the term "tech-house" in conjunction with dance music? I, for one, would like to state my support for the sort of classificatory games that some describe as "sphincter clenching" activity. First, Labels hasve as much meaning as you allow them to have. Second, dance music is (obviously) prone to rapidly emerging genres and sub-genres and some folks mis-use dance music terminology in ways that actually effect people (example: Promoters who describe the type of music at their partic. night as being one sound when it's something else). Third, these kinds of discussion help to develop a much needed vocabulary for the kinds of music discussed on this list. In conclusion, I would like to put forward the idea that this list should not be limited to the discussion of "IDM"(whatver that is) but extend to a sort-of "reasoned discussion of dance music". (or in a catchier to but more annoying phrase "intelligent discussion of dance music".) I haven't seen this kind of use of the list so I'm somewhat hesitant to advance the idea, but everyone seems to agree that the definiton of IDM is "music discussed on the iDM list serv"... ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-08-15 18:11Scott PactorWell, Swayzak has been popping up here and there so I thought I would ask the following se

From:: Scott Pactor <scottpactor@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:11:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: [idm] Swayzak and the Enigmatic Nature of "Tech House"

Well, Swayzak has been popping up here and there so I thought I would ask the following set of questions to the collective: 1. When people say "tech-house" to describe an artist (as I have seen for Swayzak) does it mean "house taking advantage of production techniques used in techno"? Or what... I know everybody on this list gets all uptight about the labeling so don't nobody flip out on this one. 2. Are there notable tech-house "club nights" in the Uk or US? 3. Is there a label which has "pioneered the tech house" sound? 4. And the super bonus nerdy IDMer question: What is the origin of the term "tech-house" in conjunction with dance music? I, for one, would like to state my support for the sort of classificatory games that some describe as "sphincter clenching" activity. First, Labels hasve as much meaning as you allow them to have. Second, dance music is (obviously) prone to rapidly emerging genres and sub-genres and some folks mis-use dance music terminology in ways that actually effect people (example: Promoters who describe the type of music at their partic. night as being one sound when it's something else). Third, these kinds of discussion help to develop a much needed vocabulary for the kinds of music discussed on this list. In conclusion, I would like to put forward the idea that this list should not be limited to the discussion of "IDM"(whatver that is) but extend to a sort-of "reasoned discussion of dance music". (or in a catchier to but more annoying phrase "intelligent discussion of dance music".) I haven't seen this kind of use of the list so I'm somewhat hesitant to advance the idea, but everyone seems to agree that the definiton of IDM is "music discussed on the iDM list serv"... ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-08-15 18:20Catfish GilAhh the tech house issue :) I like discussing this stuff even though nothing gets resolved

From:: Catfish Gil <gyaker@fragment.com>
To:: Scott Pactor <scottpactor@yahoo.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:20:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Swayzak and the Enigmatic Nature of "Tech House"
Reply to:: [idm] Swayzak and the Enigmatic Nature of "Tech House"

Ahh the tech house issue :) I like discussing this stuff even though nothing gets resolved. On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Scott Pactor wrote:

quoted 6 lines 1. When people say "tech-house" to describe an artist

> 1. When people say "tech-house" to describe an artist > (as I have seen for Swayzak) does it mean "house > taking advantage of production techniques used in > techno"? Or what... I know everybody on this list > gets all uptight about the labeling so don't nobody > flip out on this one.

Tech house, TO ME, is basically housy sounding techno or techno sounding house. Go figure. Lots of people consider slower less agressive jazzy techno to be techhouse too. It can be funky or cold, jazzy or mechanical. It usually hovers in the high 120s.

quoted 3 lines 2. Are there notable tech-house "club nights" in the

> > 2. Are there notable tech-house "club nights" in the > Uk or US?

Not in washington DC :)

quoted 3 lines 3. Is there a label which has "pioneered the tech

> > 3. Is there a label which has "pioneered the tech > house" sound?

I'll get flak for this, but I would say Soma is the defining label, even though I have a feeling they were out of the loop for the tech house emergence. But what do I know, I only buy 20 or so records a month. Check out the m_nus thx releases too.

quoted 4 lines 4. And the super bonus nerdy IDMer question: What is

> > 4. And the super bonus nerdy IDMer question: What is > the origin of the term "tech-house" in conjunction > with dance music?

tech house has always been around. Someone decided to label the sound at some point. Since the 80s I think there have been points at which house crossed into techno areas and visa versa. I'd say a lot of Detroit techno could be considered tech house (not politically tho') because the funk was always there. And it's funny - I borrowed this CD from a friend by Terry Francis called Architecture - He said it was the defining tech house CD, but uh, I totally don't see it. It seemed like a bunch of overproduced house tracks to my ears. bleh. -Gil np: Stevie Be Zet - Archaic Modulation (old i know :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-08-15 18:30Ross BalmerWell, some things sound like house and some things sound like techno and then some things

From:: Ross Balmer <ross@tui.co.uk>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:30:41 +0100
Subject:: Re: [idm] Swayzak and the Enigmatic Nature of "Tech House"

Well, some things sound like house and some things sound like techno and then some things sound kinda in-between... Ross :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Pactor" <scottpactor@yahoo.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 7:11 PM Subject: [idm] Swayzak and the Enigmatic Nature of "Tech House"

quoted 58 lines Well, Swayzak has been popping up here and there so I

> Well, Swayzak has been popping up here and there so I > thought I would ask the following set of questions to > the collective: > > 1. When people say "tech-house" to describe an artist > (as I have seen for Swayzak) does it mean "house > taking advantage of production techniques used in > techno"? Or what... I know everybody on this list > gets all uptight about the labeling so don't nobody > flip out on this one. > > 2. Are there notable tech-house "club nights" in the > Uk or US? > > 3. Is there a label which has "pioneered the tech > house" sound? > > 4. And the super bonus nerdy IDMer question: What is > the origin of the term "tech-house" in conjunction > with dance music? > > I, for one, would like to state my support for the > sort of classificatory games that some describe as > "sphincter clenching" activity. First, Labels hasve > as much meaning as you allow them to have. Second, > dance music is (obviously) prone to rapidly emerging > genres and sub-genres and some folks mis-use dance > music terminology in ways that actually effect people > (example: Promoters who describe the type of music at > their partic. night as being one sound when it's > something else). Third, these kinds of discussion > help to develop a much needed vocabulary for the kinds > of music discussed on this list. > > In conclusion, I would like to put forward the idea > that this list should not be limited to the discussion > of "IDM"(whatver that is) but extend to a sort-of > "reasoned discussion of dance music". (or in a > catchier to but more annoying phrase "intelligent > discussion of dance music".) I haven't seen this kind > of use of the list so I'm somewhat hesitant to advance > the idea, but everyone seems to agree that the > definiton of IDM is "music discussed on the iDM list > serv"... > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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RE: [idm] Swayzak and the Enigmatic Nature of "Tech House"