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2000-08-04 12:35Scott boyRephlex Records Knocks Techno Off Its High Horse This Ain't No Disco by Hobey Echlin ith l
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Rephlex Records Knocks Techno Off Its High Horse This Ain't No Disco by Hobey Echlin ith last year's swan-song-cum-video "Windowlicker," Richard "Aphex Twin" James retired from music-making, which was just as well. As electronic music's resident funnyman, he hadbecome more its Rich Little than its Andy Kaufman, shtickishly pantomiming his role in the usually humorless scene. First there was 1996's"Girl Boy Song," its spazzy breakbeat dry-humping a classical interlude, as much a punchline as an ersatz "Swan Lake." Then came his remix of Beck's "Devil's Haircut," rechristened "Richard's Hairpiece" after he stripped the low-end off and sped up the vocal to a grating ping of hi-hats. But "Windowlicker" was the crowning glory, its spare, rubbery rhythm serving up as good an excuse as any for a pimp-playing James and director Chris Cunningham to ride around in a block-long stretch limo, indulging and subverting T&A imagery like gender-challenging director Matthew Barney making a 2 Live Crew video: Teases of string-bikini-clad curves end up belonging to women that all have James's grinning, bearded mug. As the old Chas and Dave song put it, "Nice legs, shame about the face." But if James has moved into pop culture proper with his megabudget videos making fun of other megabudget videos, his Rephlex label carries on the Aphex Twin aesthetic on the underground techno front. Founded in Cornwall in 1991 by James and partner Grant Wilson Claridge, Rephlex (www.rephlex.com) has in the last few years shifted from its initial rave-era renaissance, when it boasted releases by Squarepusher and ?-Ziq, into its current post-rave, post-everything mannerist jag, putting out music by artists who sound as if their only contact with electronic music is from listening to squelchy ham-radio broadcasts in remote parts of the world: Ovuca in Finland, proudly representing North of the Arctic Circle with his chilly, scattered, free-range tundra-jungle version of soul music; Lektrogirl in her native Tasmania making infantilistic electro, from the sounds of it, while reading the software manual on her lap; Bogdan Raczynski in Poland or Japan or (judging from his album Thinking of You's poster insert) wherever he's wearing that flowered dress and pushing that shopping cart, with his battered laptop full of stream-of-consciousness bleeps and broken beats over which to rant about DJs and Ibiza, buoyed by the oddly sentimental segue of embittered lost love to lull him to sleep, those Brit bastards be damned. Then there's DMX Krew, who evidently have never heard music made after 1984, at least any made with guitar. This has yielded an alarmingly consistent string of albums-that-time-forgot that sound like the Monkees trying to be Kraftwerk: obliviously, and-your-point-would-be-edly reactionary, blissfully free of all that herky-jerky future-retro irony that fuels smirky neo-electroids like Add N To (X). Likewise, compared to the running commentary of IDM (so-called Intelligent Dance Music) about other, one infers, less-intelligent music (current IDM poster boy Kid 606's new offering scrambles N.W.A.'s "Fuck tha Police"), Like A Tim's Rephlex release Red and Blue Boxing seems beamed in from some parallel universe where laws of 4/4 tempo, melody, even simple coherence, sometimes brilliantly, usually annoyingly, don't apply. But as wildly varying as Rephlex releases are, they all share the na?ve eccentricity of their label founder, so uncannily that if all these folks were really just elaborate aliases for James's own schizophrenic output, nobody would be shocked. But if it is all a joke, dance music, and music in general, is finally getting it. As lines blur between "good" and "bad" with the emergence of the so-bad-it's-good category of "amazing," usually favored by brainy critics to excuse guilty-pleasure love of dumb rock, Raczynski is indeed amazing, fueled by a brave (everybody has those weird minutes squinting in the bathroom mirror half-singing embarrassing songs; only Raczynski makes albums of them) and occasionally shocking confidence (his misogynistic hate-rants against British consumerism have gotten him banned from England). Though inspired by dance music, he's free from its shackled-to-club-play tunnel vision, even if, for now, he's defined by it?not unlike the insanely un-punk Butthole Surfers playing hardcore-punk clubs in the mid '80s. James and Claridge themselves prefer to call their post-dance aesthetic "braindance." But as a recent spate of dance records exhibiting Rephlex-ian eccentricities shows, this post-dance "amazing"-ness is converging with dance music's need to find the funk in new ways. The best Detroit techno single in 10 years, the helium electro sex-up "Sandwiches" by Detroit Grand Pubahs, owes more to Dr. Demento than Derrick May, while techno granddaddy Sven V?th and France's Mr. Oizo have both released records of no-it's-not-a-joke kindergarten techno more kindred to Lektrogirl than Jeff Mills. Even house homeboy Armand Van Helden's new Killing Puritans album, with its street-person conspiracy theories, human beat-boxing, and rampant middle fingers to the dance status quo (in between requisite jiggy tracks, of course), sounds more like Bogdan Raczynski's Thinking of You, itself full of noisy beats and hilarious "Fuck you DJ" lines ("lazyass DJ shit . . . my dog could make better beats than you . . . and I don't even have a dog") than, say, the last Basement Jaxx record. Dance music more and more lets us down with tracky albums that bounce between ever more hermetically sealed genres. (Question for house producers: Is disco the only thing worth sampling in the last 25 years?) So when, after an afternoon of braindancing to Raczynski, a colleague of mine commented, "This is what your parents hear when you play them techno . . . a bunch of noise," all I could respond with was, "And your point would be?" 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2000-08-04 19:03Jason BirchmeierAs a fellow writer, I'm intrigued by the fact that Mr. Echlin is getting pieces such as th
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As a fellow writer, I'm intrigued by the fact that Mr. Echlin is getting pieces such as this published in Village Voice. I think it's good to see high-brow electronic music getting coverage in such a recognized publication. Furthermore, I like the fact that he raises the bar on how far he takes his style, now that he doesn't have to dumb his thoughts down for Mixer's.........pedestrian(?) demographic. Of course, I walk away from this article thinking more about his writing style than his content -- could be because of my role as a writer though. Anyone have any other thoughts? Like him or hate him (sometimes I'm unsure which side I prefer), I think Echlin is worthy of comment. Is he all talk, style, and flowers? Or is he someone with something to say? Jason Birchmeier
quoted 147 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Scott boy [mailto:mckeating23@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 8:35 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] Interesting article > > > > Rephlex Records Knocks Techno Off Its High Horse > This Ain't No Disco > by Hobey Echlin > > > > ith last year's swan-song-cum-video "Windowlicker," Richard "Aphex Twin" > James retired from music-making, which was just as well. As electronic > music's resident funnyman, he hadbecome more its Rich Little than > its Andy > Kaufman, shtickishly pantomiming his role in the usually humorless scene. > First there was 1996's"Girl Boy Song," its spazzy breakbeat dry-humping a > classical interlude, as much a punchline as an ersatz "Swan > Lake." Then came > his remix of Beck's "Devil's Haircut," rechristened "Richard's Hairpiece" > after he stripped the low-end off and sped up the vocal to a > grating ping of > hi-hats. But "Windowlicker" was the crowning glory, its spare, rubbery > rhythm serving up as good an excuse as any for a pimp-playing James and > director Chris Cunningham to ride around in a block-long stretch limo, > indulging and subverting T&A imagery like gender-challenging director > Matthew Barney making a 2 Live Crew video: Teases of string-bikini-clad > curves end up belonging to women that all have James's grinning, bearded > mug. As the old Chas and Dave song put it, "Nice legs, shame about the > face." > > But if James has moved into pop culture proper with his megabudget videos > making fun of other megabudget videos, his Rephlex label carries on the > Aphex Twin aesthetic on the underground techno front. Founded in > Cornwall in > 1991 by James and partner Grant Wilson Claridge, Rephlex > (www.rephlex.com) > has in the last few years shifted from its initial rave-era renaissance, > when it boasted releases by Squarepusher and µ-Ziq, into its current > post-rave, post-everything mannerist jag, putting out music by > artists who > sound as if their only contact with electronic music is from listening to > squelchy ham-radio broadcasts in remote parts of the world: Ovuca in > Finland, proudly representing North of the Arctic Circle with his chilly, > scattered, free-range tundra-jungle version of soul music; > Lektrogirl in her > native Tasmania making infantilistic electro, from the sounds of > it, while > reading the software manual on her lap; Bogdan Raczynski in > Poland or Japan > or (judging from his album Thinking of You's poster insert) wherever he's > wearing that flowered dress and pushing that shopping cart, with his > battered laptop full of stream-of-consciousness bleeps and broken > beats over > which to rant about DJs and Ibiza, buoyed by the oddly > sentimental segue of > embittered lost love to lull him to sleep, those Brit bastards be damned. > > Then there's DMX Krew, who evidently have never heard music made > after 1984, > at least any made with guitar. This has yielded an alarmingly consistent > string of albums-that-time-forgot that sound like the Monkees > trying to be > Kraftwerk: obliviously, and-your-point-would-be-edly reactionary, > blissfully > free of all that herky-jerky future-retro irony that fuels smirky > neo-electroids like Add N To (X). > > Likewise, compared to the running commentary of IDM (so-called > Intelligent > Dance Music) about other, one infers, less-intelligent music (current IDM > poster boy Kid 606's new offering scrambles N.W.A.'s "Fuck tha Police"), > Like A Tim's Rephlex release Red and Blue Boxing seems beamed in > from some > parallel universe where laws of 4/4 tempo, melody, even simple coherence, > sometimes brilliantly, usually annoyingly, don't apply. > > But as wildly varying as Rephlex releases are, they all share the naïve > eccentricity of their label founder, so uncannily that if all these folks > were really just elaborate aliases for James's own schizophrenic output, > nobody would be shocked. But if it is all a joke, dance music, > and music in > general, is finally getting it. As lines blur between "good" and > "bad" with > the emergence of the so-bad-it's-good category of "amazing," > usually favored > by brainy critics to excuse guilty-pleasure love of dumb rock, > Raczynski is > indeed amazing, fueled by a brave (everybody has those weird minutes > squinting in the bathroom mirror half-singing embarrassing songs; only > Raczynski makes albums of them) and occasionally shocking confidence (his > misogynistic hate-rants against British consumerism have gotten > him banned > from England). Though inspired by dance music, he's free from its > shackled-to-club-play tunnel vision, even if, for now, he's defined by > it—not unlike the insanely un-punk Butthole Surfers playing hardcore-punk > clubs in the mid '80s. > > James and Claridge themselves prefer to call their post-dance aesthetic > "braindance." But as a recent spate of dance records exhibiting > Rephlex-ian > eccentricities shows, this post-dance "amazing"-ness is converging with > dance music's need to find the funk in new ways. The best Detroit techno > single in 10 years, the helium electro sex-up "Sandwiches" by > Detroit Grand > Pubahs, owes more to Dr. Demento than Derrick May, while techno > granddaddy > Sven Väth and France's Mr. Oizo have both released records of > no-it's-not-a-joke kindergarten techno more kindred to Lektrogirl > than Jeff > Mills. Even house homeboy Armand Van Helden's new Killing Puritans album, > with its street-person conspiracy theories, human beat-boxing, > and rampant > middle fingers to the dance status quo (in between requisite > jiggy tracks, > of course), sounds more like Bogdan Raczynski's Thinking of You, > itself full > of noisy beats and hilarious "Fuck you DJ" lines ("lazyass DJ > shit . . . my > dog could make better beats than you . . . and I don't even have a dog") > than, say, the last Basement Jaxx record. > > Dance music more and more lets us down with tracky albums that bounce > between ever more hermetically sealed genres. (Question for house > producers: > Is disco the only thing worth sampling in the last 25 years?) So > when, after > an afternoon of braindancing to Raczynski, a colleague of mine commented, > "This is what your parents hear when you play them techno . . . a > bunch of > noise," all I could respond with was, "And your point would be?" > > Tell us what you think. editor@villagevoice.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2000-08-04 23:14Jamie Osborne8/4/00 Yo. I would say that Echlin is the real deal. Check out the archives of the Detroit
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8/4/00 Yo. I would say that Echlin is the real deal. Check out the archives of the Detroit MetroTimes (www.metrotimes.com) for other examples of his writing. It is good to see him make it to the "big leagues" of the free-rags. I've been familiar with his writing since the late 80's. He's lived through the development of the genre in the city that started it... Derrick May, Juan Atkins, Richie Hawtin, Mojo, etc. I like his stuff. Do the research and you will see that he knows his shit. Peace. J --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-08-08 14:17Jason BirchmeierI just get frustrated when I read his dumbed-down articles in America's official commercia
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I just get frustrated when I read his dumbed-down articles in America's official commercial trance sponsor, Mixer. I think he has so much more potential to communicate deeper ideas with more poetic craft than Mixer allows. Why can't there be more high-brow magazines out there that don't focus on 17 year old ravers with E-fried brains as their primary demographic? These mailing lists are cool and all, but I still enjoy the feel of a magazine and all it's glossy pictures. Unfortunately, I still haven't found anything worthwhile. I want a Red Herring for electronic music, not a Maxim.
quoted 33 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Jamie Osborne [mailto:osbornej@cess.org] > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 7:15 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: RE: [idm] Interesting article > > > 8/4/00 > > Yo. > > I would say that Echlin is the real deal. Check out the archives of the > Detroit MetroTimes (www.metrotimes.com) for other examples of his writing. > It is good to see him make it to the "big leagues" of the free-rags. > > I've been familiar with his writing since the late 80's. He's lived > through the development of the genre in the city that started it... > Derrick May, Juan Atkins, Richie Hawtin, Mojo, etc. > > I like his stuff. Do the research and you will see that he knows > his shit. > > Peace. > > J > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2000-08-08 17:09sallythe only magazine i can think of that comes close is grooves. they're doing an excellent j
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the only magazine i can think of that comes close is grooves. they're doing an excellent job of covering various aspects of things that go bleep in the night. there might be others that i don't know about, of course... s. (you don't need glossy club shots, etc. to be a good music magazine.) On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Jason Birchmeier wrote:
quoted 1 line I want a Red Herring for electronic music, not a Maxim.> I want a Red Herring for electronic music, not a Maxim.
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2000-08-06 18:52Irene McCRE: [idm] Interesting article: > As the old Chas and Dave song put it, "Nice legs, shame a
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quoted 2 lines As the old Chas and Dave song put it, "Nice legs, shame about the> As the old Chas and Dave song put it, "Nice legs, shame about the > face."
I remember this line as coming from The Monks' excellent album "Bad Habits" (with to-be-expected cheezy cover of a nun, harrharr) where they also went "nice legs, shame about the boat race" in true rhyming slang style. Who were Chas and Dave? I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-08-04 20:03Gause, BrianHis style didn't escape my notice, either...I like it. Good article, too, but nothing I ha
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His style didn't escape my notice, either...I like it. Good article, too, but nothing I hadn't heard before. This, though, is a case of my being too close to the subject to be much impressed with the content...two years ago, this might have been ground-breaking...but it's the Village Voice, so we're dealing with a different audience. Good stuff, though. And, truth be told, RDJ is still making music. ---brian ------------------------ Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 365-8203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 -----Original Message----- From: Jason Birchmeier [mailto:jasbir@allmusic.com] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 12:03 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] Interesting article As a fellow writer, I'm intrigued by the fact that Mr. Echlin is getting pieces such as this published in Village Voice. I think it's good to see high-brow electronic music getting coverage in such a recognized publication. Furthermore, I like the fact that he raises the bar on how far he takes his style, now that he doesn't have to dumb his thoughts down for Mixer's.........pedestrian(?) demographic. Of course, I walk away from this article thinking more about his writing style than his content -- could be because of my role as a writer though. Anyone have any other thoughts? Like him or hate him (sometimes I'm unsure which side I prefer), I think Echlin is worthy of comment. Is he all talk, style, and flowers? Or is he someone with something to say? Jason Birchmeier
quoted 147 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Scott boy [mailto:mckeating23@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 8:35 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] Interesting article > > > > Rephlex Records Knocks Techno Off Its High Horse > This Ain't No Disco > by Hobey Echlin > > > > ith last year's swan-song-cum-video "Windowlicker," Richard "Aphex Twin" > James retired from music-making, which was just as well. As electronic > music's resident funnyman, he hadbecome more its Rich Little than > its Andy > Kaufman, shtickishly pantomiming his role in the usually humorless scene. > First there was 1996's"Girl Boy Song," its spazzy breakbeat dry-humping a > classical interlude, as much a punchline as an ersatz "Swan > Lake." Then came > his remix of Beck's "Devil's Haircut," rechristened "Richard's Hairpiece" > after he stripped the low-end off and sped up the vocal to a > grating ping of > hi-hats. But "Windowlicker" was the crowning glory, its spare, rubbery > rhythm serving up as good an excuse as any for a pimp-playing James and > director Chris Cunningham to ride around in a block-long stretch limo, > indulging and subverting T&A imagery like gender-challenging director > Matthew Barney making a 2 Live Crew video: Teases of string-bikini-clad > curves end up belonging to women that all have James's grinning, bearded > mug. As the old Chas and Dave song put it, "Nice legs, shame about the > face." > > But if James has moved into pop culture proper with his megabudget videos > making fun of other megabudget videos, his Rephlex label carries on the > Aphex Twin aesthetic on the underground techno front. Founded in > Cornwall in > 1991 by James and partner Grant Wilson Claridge, Rephlex > (www.rephlex.com) > has in the last few years shifted from its initial rave-era renaissance, > when it boasted releases by Squarepusher and µ-Ziq, into its current > post-rave, post-everything mannerist jag, putting out music by > artists who > sound as if their only contact with electronic music is from listening to > squelchy ham-radio broadcasts in remote parts of the world: Ovuca in > Finland, proudly representing North of the Arctic Circle with his chilly, > scattered, free-range tundra-jungle version of soul music; > Lektrogirl in her > native Tasmania making infantilistic electro, from the sounds of > it, while > reading the software manual on her lap; Bogdan Raczynski in > Poland or Japan > or (judging from his album Thinking of You's poster insert) wherever he's > wearing that flowered dress and pushing that shopping cart, with his > battered laptop full of stream-of-consciousness bleeps and broken > beats over > which to rant about DJs and Ibiza, buoyed by the oddly > sentimental segue of > embittered lost love to lull him to sleep, those Brit bastards be damned. > > Then there's DMX Krew, who evidently have never heard music made > after 1984, > at least any made with guitar. This has yielded an alarmingly consistent > string of albums-that-time-forgot that sound like the Monkees > trying to be > Kraftwerk: obliviously, and-your-point-would-be-edly reactionary, > blissfully > free of all that herky-jerky future-retro irony that fuels smirky > neo-electroids like Add N To (X). > > Likewise, compared to the running commentary of IDM (so-called > Intelligent > Dance Music) about other, one infers, less-intelligent music (current IDM > poster boy Kid 606's new offering scrambles N.W.A.'s "Fuck tha Police"), > Like A Tim's Rephlex release Red and Blue Boxing seems beamed in > from some > parallel universe where laws of 4/4 tempo, melody, even simple coherence, > sometimes brilliantly, usually annoyingly, don't apply. > > But as wildly varying as Rephlex releases are, they all share the naïve > eccentricity of their label founder, so uncannily that if all these folks > were really just elaborate aliases for James's own schizophrenic output, > nobody would be shocked. But if it is all a joke, dance music, > and music in > general, is finally getting it. As lines blur between "good" and > "bad" with > the emergence of the so-bad-it's-good category of "amazing," > usually favored > by brainy critics to excuse guilty-pleasure love of dumb rock, > Raczynski is > indeed amazing, fueled by a brave (everybody has those weird minutes > squinting in the bathroom mirror half-singing embarrassing songs; only > Raczynski makes albums of them) and occasionally shocking confidence (his > misogynistic hate-rants against British consumerism have gotten > him banned > from England). Though inspired by dance music, he's free from its > shackled-to-club-play tunnel vision, even if, for now, he's defined by > it-not unlike the insanely un-punk Butthole Surfers playing hardcore-punk > clubs in the mid '80s. > > James and Claridge themselves prefer to call their post-dance aesthetic > "braindance." But as a recent spate of dance records exhibiting > Rephlex-ian > eccentricities shows, this post-dance "amazing"-ness is converging with > dance music's need to find the funk in new ways. The best Detroit techno > single in 10 years, the helium electro sex-up "Sandwiches" by > Detroit Grand > Pubahs, owes more to Dr. Demento than Derrick May, while techno > granddaddy > Sven Väth and France's Mr. Oizo have both released records of > no-it's-not-a-joke kindergarten techno more kindred to Lektrogirl > than Jeff > Mills. Even house homeboy Armand Van Helden's new Killing Puritans album, > with its street-person conspiracy theories, human beat-boxing, > and rampant > middle fingers to the dance status quo (in between requisite > jiggy tracks, > of course), sounds more like Bogdan Raczynski's Thinking of You, > itself full > of noisy beats and hilarious "Fuck you DJ" lines ("lazyass DJ > shit . . . my > dog could make better beats than you . . . and I don't even have a dog") > than, say, the last Basement Jaxx record. > > Dance music more and more lets us down with tracky albums that bounce > between ever more hermetically sealed genres. (Question for house > producers: > Is disco the only thing worth sampling in the last 25 years?) So > when, after > an afternoon of braindancing to Raczynski, a colleague of mine commented, > "This is what your parents hear when you play them techno . . . a > bunch of > noise," all I could respond with was, "And your point would be?" > > Tell us what you think. editor@villagevoice.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2000-08-04 20:24Ernesto Ikerd>And where is he releasing it, besides the 17 minutes in some movie that's >coming up? at
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quoted 2 lines And where is he releasing it, besides the 17 minutes in some movie that's>And where is he releasing it, besides the 17 minutes in some movie that's >coming up?
at Yo' Mommas House! :0 ernie Ernesto Ikerd, (817) 763-4795 Company Graphics, Dept 17, MZ-4202 Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company Fort Worth, Texas --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-08-04 20:26Andrew Hime> And, truth be told, RDJ is still making music. And where is he releasing it, besides the
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quoted 1 line And, truth be told, RDJ is still making music.> And, truth be told, RDJ is still making music.
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2000-08-04 20:31Andrew Hime> >And where is he releasing it, besides the 17 minutes in some movie that's > >coming up?
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quoted 6 lines And where is he releasing it, besides the 17 minutes in some movie that's> >And where is he releasing it, besides the 17 minutes in some movie that's > >coming up? > > at Yo' Mommas House! > :0 > ernie
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2000-08-04 20:58Ernesto Ikerd>at Yo' Mommas House! sorry, that was meant for offlist :( e Ernesto Ikerd, (817) 763-4795
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quoted 1 line at Yo' Mommas House!>at Yo' Mommas House!
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2000-08-04 21:10Gause, BrianLots of people make music. Lots of people release music. Sometimes these groups overlap so
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Lots of people make music. Lots of people release music. Sometimes these groups overlap sometimes they don't. It's a subtle distinction, but it makes me feel superior to realize it. <smirk> ---brian ------------------------ Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 365-8203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hime [mailto:hime1@gte.net] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 1:26 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Interesting article
quoted 1 line And, truth be told, RDJ is still making music.> And, truth be told, RDJ is still making music.
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2000-08-04 22:46Dave Segal"Jason Birchmeier" <jasbir@allmusic.com> wrote: >As a fellow writer, I'm intrigued by the
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"Jason Birchmeier" <jasbir@allmusic.com> wrote:
quoted 14 lines As a fellow writer, I'm intrigued by the fact that Mr. Echlin is getting>As a fellow writer, I'm intrigued by the fact that Mr. Echlin is getting >pieces such as this published in Village Voice. I think it's good to see >high-brow electronic music getting coverage in such a recognized >publication. > >Furthermore, I like the fact that he raises the bar on how far he takes his >style, now that he doesn't have to dumb his thoughts down for >Mixer's.........pedestrian(?) demographic. Of course, I walk away from this >article thinking more about his writing style than his content -- could be >because of my role as a writer though. > >Anyone have any other thoughts? Like him or hate him (sometimes I'm unsure >which side I prefer), I think Echlin is worthy of comment. Is he all talk, >style, and flowers? Or is he someone with something to say?
As someone who edits Echlin's work for Alternative Press, I can say that he has a solid knowledge of the music and can communicate that knowledge with panache. It's a pretty rare combo in a writer. Dave Segal Managing Editor/Alternative Press Reviews/BPM/Reissue Redux Secret Ions on WCSB Thursdays 9-11PM EST [www.wcsb.org] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-08-04 23:18Andrew Hime> As someone who edits Echlin's work for Alternative > Press, I can say > that he has a so
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quoted 5 lines As someone who edits Echlin's work for Alternative> As someone who edits Echlin's work for Alternative > Press, I can say > that he has a solid knowledge of the music > and can communicate that knowledge with panache. > It's a pretty rare combo in a writer.
Slipknot, dude! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-08-06 20:22martin burbridgeirene requested: > > As the old Chas and Dave song put it, "Nice legs, shame about the > >
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irene requested:
quoted 7 lines As the old Chas and Dave song put it, "Nice legs, shame about the> > As the old Chas and Dave song put it, "Nice legs, shame about the > > face." > > I remember this line as coming from The Monks' excellent album > "Bad Habits" (with to-be-expected cheezy cover of a nun, harrharr) > where they also went "nice legs, shame about the boat race" in true > rhyming slang style. Who were Chas and Dave?
chas and dave were (hopefully) two beardy guys, who dresssed as carpenters, played the piano and shouted irritatingly jolly songs at you in cock(er)ney slang. in england alone, they had about 50 hit records w/ i think at least one number one, and some sort of football records. i think they were spurs fans. a sample lyric would go something like "i don't care, i don't care, i don't care if e comes round ere." notice how they cleverly avoid just shouting "i don't care" four times, that could have been so easy. the most idm thing about chas and dave is vvm/- aunty farm and uncle howell's - chesh'n'dave done like kippers. -martin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-08-08 16:58Dave Segal"Jason Birchmeier" <jasbir@allmusic.com> wrote: >Why can't there be more high-brow magazin
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"Jason Birchmeier" <jasbir@allmusic.com> wrote:
quoted 5 lines Why can't there be more high-brow magazines out there that don't focus on 17>Why can't there be more high-brow magazines out there that don't focus on 17 >year old ravers with E-fried brains as their primary demographic? These >mailing lists are cool and all, but I still enjoy the feel of a magazine and >all it's glossy pictures. Unfortunately, I still haven't found anything >worthwhile. I want a Red Herring for electronic music, not a Maxim.
One major reason: There simply aren't enough people into "high-brow" music to support such a glossy mag. I'd like to know how The Wire survives putting such obscure figures on its cover. Perhaps a multimillionaire philanthropist with excellent musical taste funds it. Music-magazine publishing is a cut-throat business; dozens of publications are angling for a finite amount of consumer dollars/pounds/deutschemarks, etc. Lowest-common-denominator content attracts the most readers; more readers equal higher ad rates/more money. Magazines (shock!) are in business to make money. Of course, I'd love to see somebody start a magazine, put, say, Phthalocyanine on its cover and thrive in the current climate, which I think is the worst in pop-culture history since the early 60s (I'm talking mainstream music here). It'll take a nation of trust-fund kids with loads of time on their hands to manifest this scenario. That said, the new issue of Grooves is pretty damn slick-looking. Where does the money come from? Kudos to them if they can keep it going. Dave Segal Managing Editor/Alternative Press Reviews/BPM/Reissue Redux Secret Ions on WCSB Thursdays 9-11PM EST [www.wcsb.org] np: Sony Mao- An Initial Posture (CD-R) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-08-09 22:03Gause, BrianHow exactly do you characterize the 'current climate'? Apart from placing judgement on suc
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How exactly do you characterize the 'current climate'? Apart from placing judgement on such things (we'll be stupid and trivial compared to 50 years from now), I'd say it's better than ever before. Think of it this way...perhaps a magazine can't make money putting Phthalocyanine on its cover, but consider all the assumptions you've validated in this one paragraph... 1) that a band called Phthalocyanine CAN exist (and make money) 2) that a magazine like Grooves, with its limited readership, can continue to survive AND be 'pretty damn slick-looking'. 3) that trust-fund kids can change the world (was this REALLY possible in the 60s? think hippies) 4) that there is such a thing as 'mainstream music' and 5) that we can ignore it. If you want to live in a world that supports independent-minded musicians (or independence of any kind, for that matter), you can't expect the 'mainstream' to exist on any such meaningful scale. When you promote DIY, you're going to find that the people who really care AND who can make a difference are going to do it themselves. The 'mainstream' thereby becomes mindless and soulless, to some extent, because it represents widespread, easy-to-consume products... Basically, if you want good music, make the effort to find it yourself. Don't expect middle-aged, career-minded establishment types to deliver it to your radio anymore. The world has changed...locations change. ---brian -----Original Message----- From: Dave Segal [mailto:segal@altpress.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 9:59 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Interesting article "Jason Birchmeier" <jasbir@allmusic.com> wrote: Of course, I'd love to see somebody start a magazine, put, say, Phthalocyanine on its cover and thrive in the current climate, which I think is the worst in pop-culture history since the early 60s (I'm talking mainstream music here). It'll take a nation of trust-fund kids with loads of time on their hands to manifest this scenario. That said, the new issue of Grooves is pretty damn slick-looking. Where does the money come from? Kudos to them if they can keep it going. Dave Segal Managing Editor/Alternative Press Reviews/BPM/Reissue Redux Secret Ions on WCSB Thursdays 9-11PM EST [www.wcsb.org] np: Sony Mao- An Initial Posture (CD-R) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-08-09 22:11Chris Fahey> 3) that trust-fund kids can change the world (was this REALLY > possible in the 60s? thi
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quoted 2 lines 3) that trust-fund kids can change the world (was this REALLY> 3) that trust-fund kids can change the world (was this REALLY > possible in the 60s? think hippies)
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