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2000-07-18 17:56Gause, Brian RE: [idm] Six of one! 1/2 dozen of the other!!!
├─ 2000-07-18 18:53Josh Davison RE: [idm] Pop pop goes the weasel (Was: Six of one 1/2 dozen)
└─ 2000-07-18 20:49Adam Piontek RE: [idm] Six of one! 1/2 dozen of the other!!!
2000-07-19 00:47cutups [idm] distributors who carry alot of idm
└─ 2000-07-19 01:27Jeffrey Barszcz Re: [idm] distributors who carry alot of idm
2000-07-21 02:12ptr rabt RE: [idm] distributors who carry alot of idm
2000-07-21 12:11Chris Daly RE: [idm] distributors who carry alot of idm
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2000-07-18 17:56Gause, BrianGreetings. I agree that one of the defining characteristics of Pop is the intention of the
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Greetings. I agree that one of the defining characteristics of Pop is the intention of the artist to appeal to "The Unwashed Masses", but to this I say that the activity on this list over the past year (as compared to, say, 5 years ago) is good evidence that even this place has its "unwashed masses". This is not to say, however, that this is some sort of decline or that we should return to 'the good ol' days', but only that we should recognize the change for what it is. I like pop music and the expanding recognition as the scene grows is good for the artists, but this is exactly how Pop starts. The genre expands to capacity, then splinters...traditionally, it becomes the elite/old skool crowd and the newbies. Pop music is often the last remnant of a splintered scene and the beginning of real acceptance. If IDM (or whatever the hell we're calling this stuff these days) is ever going to cross into mainstream culture, it has to create a pop mentality. Taking electronic music in the last decade as an example, look at what the Chemicals, the Orb, Prodigy, Moby, Orbital and fatboy slim have done to move our little scene into the mainstream. Each of these bands had moments of experimentalism that drew us closer to the mainstream (and vice versa), but I wouldn't call any of them IDM (well, maybe orbital in the early days...and the orb has huge crossover appeal). Now, look at the current generation of electronic musicians, crossing boundaries (playing with technology), making news(e.g. mp3.com), looking more and more like mainstream culture everyday. I remember the cries years ago that this music was hard to find, that no one knew anything about this stuff, that you had to get online to find like-minded fans...but it's changing. It happened; electronic music is catching on. One of the inevitable results of this is that a Pop mentality has creeped into some of the music. As more people listen to and create electronic music, as it becomes harder to match creaters with listeners, Pop will grow. If you're still not buying it, consider rap, consider punk. It is the fate of rebellious, exploratory creativity to become popular...hence, art becomes pop. Andy Warhol knew this years ago, but few knew what he was saying and the message was lost in a hairstyle. This progression has interesting consequences for our cultural view of art, but that's another conversation. ---brian -----Original Message----- From: Josh Davison [mailto:yoshi@enteract.com] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 4:20 PM To: Gause, Brian Cc: 'idm@hyperreal.org' Subject: RE: [idm] Six of one! 1/2 dozen of the other!!! the word pop is indeed derived from a slightly longer word, "popular". but i don't think that just because something is more popular than something else automatically makes it "pop." while i'll agree that Aphex and Autechre are certainly a helluva lot more popular than Richard Devine and L'usine, i have a hard time applying the term Pop to either of them. I think the defining characteristic of Pop music is the intention of the artist to appeal to The Unwashed Masses. The Spice Girls are Pop. Puff Daddy is Pop. These artists (loosely applied term, heh heh) try very very hard to make sure that their music challenges nobody, and appeals to the widest demographic possible. I guess you could draw the further boundary of 'Mainstream Pop' and 'Underground Pop' and in that case i suppose you'd probably wind up catching about 1/3 of aphex's material in there ... but that's not my point My point is that the size of the audience doesn't dictate whether music is Pop. It's the artist who dictates this by aiming their music at the current tastes of the Mainstream. I remember Balil, B12, Beaumont Hannant and many other artists that don't start with the letter "b" and I think that if anything, most of the new music discussed on this list is 10 times more challenging than what those guys were doing five or seven years ago. I know that's an unfair comparison for me to make, but I think that just because many of the people on this list weren't kicking it old school with their Artificial Intelligence compilations in 1993 doesn't mean that the music discussed on the list is Pop. -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-18 18:53Josh Davison> Taking electronic music in the last decade as an example, look at what the > Chemicals,
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Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:53:21 -0500 (CDT)
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quoted 3 lines Taking electronic music in the last decade as an example, look at what the> Taking electronic music in the last decade as an example, look at what the > Chemicals, the Orb, Prodigy, Moby, Orbital and fatboy slim have done to move > our little scene into the mainstream.
Okay, I definitely agree that Moby, The Chemical Bros. and The Prodigy (ESPECIALLY the Prodigy!) are Pop. But does the fact that the style of music they make has similar roots as much so-called-IDM really mean that it's moving IDM more toward a pop vein? I'm sure that some kids are going to get more exposure to IDM as a result of the "electronica" revolution in Pop, but I don't think Daft Punk will lead to a wider audience for Thomas Brinkmann just because they are musically similar.
quoted 6 lines Each of these bands had moments of> Each of these bands had moments of > experimentalism that drew us closer to the mainstream (and vice versa), but > I wouldn't call any of them IDM (well, maybe orbital in the early days...and > the orb has huge crossover appeal). Now, look at the current generation of > electronic musicians, crossing boundaries (playing with technology), making > news(e.g. mp3.com), looking more and more like mainstream culture everyday.
The moments of experimentalism you speak of happened (for the most part, anyway) before the specific artists "went pop." Perhaps some of them could have been considered IDM at the time, but as soon as they shift their focus from trying to push boundaries to trying to push charts and singles, I think they lose a significant portion of the elitist IDM audience solely because of that shift in focus. I think the singular distinction between the music that is discussed on the IDM list and the music discussed on the MTV bulletin boards is this elitist strategy of intentionally NOT being Pop. Some artists can bridge the gap (Radiohead and Aphex Twin come to mind), but for the most part there is a dichotomy there. Now, this can of course change ... think of the "Grunge" revolution in 1992, where an entire genre of "underground" music made a tectonic shift into the realm of Pop, more through Pop's mass osmosis of the style than from a conscious effort by the Grunge "scene". So if all of a sudden I open up the next issue of Spin and see a big spread on "IDM Fashion" I guess I'll stand corrected ;) -josh -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-18 20:49Adam PiontekOn Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:56:55 -0700, Gause, Brian wrote: >I remember the cries years ago th
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:56:55 -0700, Gause, Brian wrote:
quoted 7 lines I remember the cries years ago that this music was hard to find, that no one>I remember the cries years ago that this music was hard to find, that no one >knew anything about this stuff, that you had to get online to find >like-minded fans...but it's changing. It happened; electronic music is >catching on. One of the inevitable results of this is that a Pop mentality >has creeped into some of the music. As more people listen to and create >electronic music, as it becomes harder to match creaters with listeners, Pop >will grow.
I think electronic dance music caught on, to some extent. But I think it's more a case of assimilation...
quoted 4 lines If you're still not buying it, consider rap, consider punk. It is the fate>If you're still not buying it, consider rap, consider punk. It is the fate >of rebellious, exploratory creativity to become popular...hence, art becomes >pop. Andy Warhol knew this years ago, but few knew what he was saying and >the message was lost in a hairstyle.
or is rebellious, exploratory creativty crushed and assimilated by the man? huh? HUH??
quoted 2 lines This progression has interesting consequences for our cultural view of art,>This progression has interesting consequences for our cultural view of art, >but that's another conversation.
could be, but not today! -adam -- Adam Piontek [http://www.tcinternet.net/users/damek/] ICQ: 3456339 [damek@earthling.net] ... "Laugh it up, fuzz ball." - Han Solo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-19 00:47cutupsquestion for people involved with shops/ordering: is there any good distributor in the US
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question for people involved with shops/ordering: is there any good distributor in the US that carries a good amount of IDM? there's alot of stuff i'd like to pick up, but i don't have a ton of time, so i'd do better just to hook up a local shop with a good distributor. - geoff/cutups --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-19 01:27Jeffrey BarszczAt 08:47 PM 7/18/00 -0400, you wrote: >question for people involved with shops/ordering: >
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At 08:47 PM 7/18/00 -0400, you wrote:
quoted 3 lines question for people involved with shops/ordering:>question for people involved with shops/ordering: >is there any good distributor in the US that carries >a good amount of IDM?
Forced Exposure would be a good start. http://www.forcedexposure.com they have great selection of electronic and other indie stuff. they also do direct mail order. hope this helps... jeff _____________________ glueslabs@home.com icq: #59895018 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-21 02:12ptr rabtGeoff, try http://www.safetyinnumbers.net/ he's based in NY and is building quite a stockl
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Geoff, try http://www.safetyinnumbers.net/ he's based in NY and is building quite a stocklist in idm and electro and what-not. great service too. ptr ------Original Message------ From: "cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> To: "idm-list" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: July 19, 2000 12:47:03 AM GMT Subject: [idm] distributors who carry alot of idm question for people involved with shops/ordering: is there any good distributor in the US that carries a good amount of IDM? there's alot of stuff i'd like to pick up, but i don't have a ton of time, so i'd do better just to hook up a local shop with a good distributor. - geoff/cutups --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-21 12:11Chris DalyLSR / Dutch East India carry a lot of idm type stuff in the USA --------------------------
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LSR / Dutch East India carry a lot of idm type stuff in the USA --------------------------------------------- Chris Daly Kudos Records Ltd 79 Fortess Rd Kentish Town London NW5 1AG www.kudosrecords.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org