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[idm] CiM - Reference

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2000-07-18 08:24Knapman, James [idm] CiM - Reference
2000-07-18 11:15Kelley Hackett RE: [idm] CiM - Reference
2000-07-19 20:21Zach Bass Re: [idm] CiM - Reference
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2000-07-18 08:24Knapman, JamesActually, the LP doesn't have 23 tracks on it. That's just the CD. For some reason, as wit
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[idm] CiM - Reference
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Actually, the LP doesn't have 23 tracks on it. That's just the CD. For some reason, as with Lackluster's recent album, Container, Focus have released the CD version with more tracks on. In the case of CiM's reference, 8 more tracks to be exact. Why? Why not release it as a double album? Who knows. It pays to buy on CD, which sucks if you love vinyl I suppose. But then again, the deFocus ep's only come out on vinyl so... As for Reference itself, I have to say that deFocus has surpassed itself. This album is pure class and the finest release on deFocus to date. Of course, the reason for the 23 tracks is that CiM's trademark of restricting tracks to less than 6 minutes and in many cases, less than 3, is very much in evidence. I have to agree whole-heartedly with Kelly Hackett actually. Geosat Fill? One minute forty two seconds?!?! Why? Where's the other four minutes? But then I find this to be the case with many CiM tunes. If only they were that bit longer. Then again, this seems to be one of CiM's talents. The tracks are short, so you listen to them again and again. DeFocus's output has been outstanding so far. I'm looking forward to Aphelion's debut album, Zugzwang. If it's anywhere near as good as their debut ep on DeFocus... James. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-18 11:15Kelley Hackett>>But then I find this to be the case with many CiM tunes. If only they were that bit long
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Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:15:55 -0500
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RE: [idm] CiM - Reference
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quoted 1 line But then I find this to be the case with many CiM tunes. If only>>But then I find this to be the case with many CiM tunes. If only
they were that bit longer. Then again, this seems to be one of CiM's talents. The tracks are short, so you listen to them again and again. I never thought of it that way.....good point James! That UK school of artists--are uncanny for having short tunes, which out-shine(in lushness), many of the longer tunes.....In a few LP's Stasis was known for that....like his split wtih Redcell...or that darn Inspiration.. Actually for me, I just program the short tune in about 4 or 5 times. That creativity, and furthermore, establishing a tradition out of it... it shows those cats are on another level..... Or-Kore! -----Original Message----- From: Knapman, James To: 'andregurov@juno.com' Cc: 'idm@hyperreal.org' Sent: 7/18/00 3:24 AM Subject: [idm] CiM - Reference Actually, the LP doesn't have 23 tracks on it. That's just the CD. For some reason, as with Lackluster's recent album, Container, Focus have released the CD version with more tracks on. In the case of CiM's reference, 8 more tracks to be exact. Why? Why not release it as a double album? Who knows. It pays to buy on CD, which sucks if you love vinyl I suppose. But then again, the deFocus ep's only come out on vinyl so... As for Reference itself, I have to say that deFocus has surpassed itself. This album is pure class and the finest release on deFocus to date. Of course, the reason for the 23 tracks is that CiM's trademark of restricting tracks to less than 6 minutes and in many cases, less than 3, is very much in evidence. I have to agree whole-heartedly with Kelly Hackett actually. Geosat Fill? One minute forty two seconds?!?! Why? Where's the other four minutes? But then I find this to be the case with many CiM tunes. If only they were that bit longer. Then again, this seems to be one of CiM's talents. The tracks are short, so you listen to them again and again. DeFocus's output has been outstanding so far. I'm looking forward to Aphelion's debut album, Zugzwang. If it's anywhere near as good as their debut ep on DeFocus... James. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-19 20:21Zach Bass> Actually, the LP doesn't have 23 tracks on it. That's just the CD. For some > reason, as
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quoted 1 line Actually, the LP doesn't have 23 tracks on it. That's just the CD. For> Actually, the LP doesn't have 23 tracks on it. That's just the CD. For
some
quoted 3 lines reason, as with Lackluster's recent album, Container, Focus have released> reason, as with Lackluster's recent album, Container, Focus have released > the CD version with more tracks on. In the case of CiM's reference, 8 more > tracks to be exact. Why? Why not release it as a double album? Who knows.
It
quoted 1 line pays to buy on CD, which sucks if you love vinyl I suppose.> pays to buy on CD, which sucks if you love vinyl I suppose.
Yeah, that means I have to buy it on both formats. Oh well.
quoted 7 lines CiM's trademark of restricting>CiM's trademark of restricting > tracks to less than 6 minutes and in many cases, less than 3, is very much > in evidence. I have to agree whole-heartedly with Kelly Hackett actually. > Geosat Fill? One minute forty two seconds?!?! Why? Where's the other four > minutes? But then I find this to be the case with many CiM tunes. If only > they were that bit longer. Then again, this seems to be one of CiM's > talents. The tracks are short, so you listen to them again and again.
Sometimes I find myself wishing CiM's tracks were longer, too--they're the kind of songs that I could just space out to if they went on indefinately. I guess that's what the repeat button on your CD player is for. Doesn't work quite as well with vinyl, tho. On the other hand though, there's something to be said for succinctness. If you can say everything you want to say in a minute and a half, why go on for 6 minutes and repeat yourself 3 times? I'm not suggesting that repetition doesn't have its place, but sometimes short and sweet is OK too. zach --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org