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2000-07-16 06:32Re: [idm] american roll call (kid vs. lex)
└─ 2000-07-16 09:46Adam Piontek Re: [idm] american roll call (kid vs. lex)
└─ 2000-07-16 19:02are you there god? it's me margaret Re: [idm] american roll call (kid vs. lex)
2000-07-16 06:55EggyToast Re: [idm] american roll call (kid vs. lex)
└─ 2000-07-16 09:49Adam Piontek Re: [idm] american roll call (kid vs. lex)
└─ 2000-07-16 19:13are you there god? it's me margaret Re: [idm] american roll call (kid vs. lex)
└─ 2000-07-16 21:25Adam Piontek Re: [idm] american roll call (kid vs. lex)
2000-07-17 00:42James R McPherson [idm] remixing the attitude of roll call
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2000-07-16 06:32MilkAlive@aol.comIn a message dated 7/15/00 11:11:41 PM, Inputcodetrnsfus@aol.com writes: << I am sorry, ye
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In a message dated 7/15/00 11:11:41 PM, Inputcodetrnsfus@aol.com writes: << I am sorry, yes, I liked the soccergirl EP, his shit with Lexaunculpt...but even that is just good idm, not the real good stuff. Then he does stuff like "GQ on the EQ" which sounds like pins and static ripping my eardrums apart. >> Good god man ! what the hell is wrong with you? GQ is a wonderfully subtle record ! If it's ripping yr eardrums apart then yr just playing it too loud ! Jeez, even merzbow played quietly would be non-painful. Have any of you ever considered that kid is getting across because he simply does appeal to real world actual non- idm snob MUSIC fans? Lex is pure autechre/MAS/schematic worship and nothing more, designed to get you fan boys (and i do mean boys ONLY) slobbering. To a non idm geek, his stuff sounds as exciting as a saltine cracker. Forget all of your lame theories as to kid's noteriety, he's simply the man . He cares not about your one dimensional idm world, yet can come in and conquer it at will. Suffer! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-16 09:46Adam PiontekOn Sun, 16 Jul 2000 02:32:37 EDT, MilkAlive@aol.com wrote: >ever considered that kid is ge
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 02:32:37 EDT, MilkAlive@aol.com wrote:
quoted 2 lines ever considered that kid is getting across>ever considered that kid is getting across >because he simply does appeal to real world actual non- idm snob MUSIC fans?
I find generally that people who say things like "music fans" also say things like "people who like real music" and "people who really love music" ... generally the implication tends to be that there are a lot of people out there who buy music but don't love it. i tend to buy into this notion as well. but as much as your cross-genre "i'm a real MUSIC fan" wanking has something going for it, you're also being as snobby as "idm geeks" tend to be. face it, the kid isn't your average autechre-worshipper, but he does have ties to the uber-punk world and hard-techno. he's identifying more with an attitude than a genre, so he can cross 'genres' where they share that attitude. hence his recent remixes of hip-hop et. al. he's remixing the attitude, not the genre.
quoted 1 line Lex is pure autechre/MAS/schematic worship and nothing more, designed to get>Lex is pure autechre/MAS/schematic worship and nothing more, designed to get
actually, i think you mean 'warp/skam/mas' worship ... autechre is an artist, so they don't fit in with the other two, and schematic is too new; they're a worshipper still, too. and that was a joke; self-mockery. please recognize it as such.
quoted 1 line you fan boys (and i do mean boys ONLY) slobbering. To a non>you fan boys (and i do mean boys ONLY) slobbering. To a non
the gender does tend to be a bit lop-sided, doesn't it? but I think saying 'only' and then capitalizing it is a little harsh...
quoted 1 line idm geek, his stuff sounds as exciting as a saltine cracker.>idm geek, his stuff sounds as exciting as a saltine cracker.
does it really? play it to your average country lover or even your average classic-rock lover and then tell me everyone who isn't an idm geek loves kid-606.
quoted 3 lines Forget all of your lame theories as to kid's noteriety, he's simply the man .>Forget all of your lame theories as to kid's noteriety, he's simply the man . >He cares not about your >one dimensional idm world, yet can come in and conquer it at will. Suffer!
it does tend to be one-dimenshional, but not to everyone... and don't tell me you think everything the kid's done is so excellent. i don't even think everything aphex has done is good, and i love him. -adam -- Adam Piontek [http://www.tcinternet.net/users/damek/] ICQ: 3456339 [damek@earthling.net] ... "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-16 19:02are you there god? it's me margaretOn Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Adam Piontek wrote (in reply to MilkAlive's post): > >Lex is pure aut
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Adam Piontek wrote (in reply to MilkAlive's post):
quoted 6 lines Lex is pure autechre/MAS/schematic worship and nothing more, designed to get> >Lex is pure autechre/MAS/schematic worship and nothing more, designed to get > > actually, i think you mean 'warp/skam/mas' worship ... autechre is an > artist, so they don't fit in with the other two, and schematic is too > new; they're a worshipper still, too. and that was a joke; > self-mockery. please recognize it as such.
hello. while i disagree with brad that lexaunculpt is pure "autechre/MAS/schematic" i do have to jump in here and correct a little bit of the way adam would like us to "recognize as such". lex is FOR SURE influenced by the schematic sound. and personally think the schematic stuff had more of an influence on his current style than any other band/label has. lexaunculpt is damn good. one of my faves! but that most certainly doesnt mean he is immune from being influenced by a newer label -- he is, afterall, in idm years, only a few years old. tis all. chris. "bodily fluids are a wonderful way to get to know someone." _we are all lost --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-16 06:55EggyToast> Good god man ! what the hell is wrong with you? GQ is a wonderfully subtle > record ! If
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quoted 2 lines Good god man ! what the hell is wrong with you? GQ is a wonderfully subtle> Good god man ! what the hell is wrong with you? GQ is a wonderfully subtle > record ! If it's ripping yr eardrums apart then yr just playing it too
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quoted 3 lines Jeez, even merzbow played quietly would be non-painful. Have any of you> Jeez, even merzbow played quietly would be non-painful. Have any of you > ever considered that kid is getting across > because he simply does appeal to real world actual non- idm snob MUSIC
fans?
quoted 1 line Lex is pure autechre/MAS/schematic worship and nothing more, designed to> Lex is pure autechre/MAS/schematic worship and nothing more, designed to
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quoted 2 lines you fan boys (and i do mean boys ONLY) slobbering. To a non> you fan boys (and i do mean boys ONLY) slobbering. To a non > idm geek, his stuff sounds as exciting as a saltine cracker.
yeah this is one of the things i was trying to get at before, but probably botched horribly. in my opinion, kid606's music is more diverse as a whole; he's done a lot of different things. and as the one guy said, he liked "soccergirl", but didn't like GQ. so there's something in there that you like. obviously if all of his stuff was like GQ or all of it was like "soccergirl", he would sound less diverse, and that's probably why he gets some popularity. the "problem" with lex, also as stated above, is that it's hit/miss. if you don't like it, you won't like lex. if you DO like it, then you'll absolutely love it. whereas one kid606 album might not bloat your goat, but another one might get your goat (*wink wink* which goes along with taht whole "release of male energy" schtick *nudge nudge*). i'm not saying that one is better than the other, but a good way to make more discussion and publicity for yourself is to a) be prolific, and b) be diverse. i'm convinced that the reason people like autechre so much is because all of their albums *do* sound different (very diverse, even within the individual albums (to a point)), but there is a similarity among them too (which is the trick, of course ;) ). note that this is not a comparison of ae to kid606. cheers, -derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-16 09:49Adam PiontekOn Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:55:52 -0500, EggyToast wrote: >i'm not saying that one is better th
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:55:52 -0500, EggyToast wrote:
quoted 4 lines i'm not saying that one is better than the other, but a good way to make>i'm not saying that one is better than the other, but a good way to make >more discussion and publicity for yourself is to a) be prolific, and b) be >diverse. i'm convinced that the reason people like autechre so much is >because all of their albums *do* sound different (very diverse, even within
excellent point; wish i'd thought of it :) aphex fits that, too... diverse and prolific. at least he used to be. maybe this should be a new thread for the time-wasters. what other artists are both diverse and prolific? a lot of new ones aren't. -adam -- Adam Piontek [http://www.tcinternet.net/users/damek/] ICQ: 3456339 [damek@earthling.net] ... "Bring out the Holy Hand Grenade!" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-16 19:13are you there god? it's me margaretOn Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Adam Piontek wrote: > maybe this should be a new thread for the time-
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Adam Piontek wrote:
quoted 3 lines maybe this should be a new thread for the time-wasters. what other> maybe this should be a new thread for the time-wasters. what other > artists are both diverse and prolific? a lot of new ones aren't. > -adam
perhaps you should check out the numerous releases involving brad laner, the fellow you have been arguing with :) coil are pretty prolific. nurse with wound. mouse on mars. potuznik, bauer, rehberg, fennesz + the rest of the mego cast & crew. mika vainio/pan_sonic. swans (oops, not idm. sorry, cant help myself). muslimgauze. v/vm. jimmy swaggert. christoph fringeli perhaps? ethyl barrett. ryuchi sakamoto. system seven/steve hillage. seefeel releated peeps. einsturzende neubauten. plastikman. thomas brinkmann. not breathing. .... wee! chris. "bodily fluids are a wonderful way to get to know someone." _we are all lost --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-16 21:25Adam PiontekOn Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT), are you there god? it's me margaret wrote: >On S
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT), are you there god? it's me margaret wrote:
quoted 7 lines On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Adam Piontek wrote:>On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Adam Piontek wrote: >> maybe this should be a new thread for the time-wasters. what other >> artists are both diverse and prolific? a lot of new ones aren't. >> -adam > >perhaps you should check out the numerous releases involving brad laner, >the fellow you have been arguing with :)
i was arguing? i thought i was joking. yeah, i'm pretty sure i was joking since i only argue about REAL idm music (like autechre), not this "ooh, i pushed a button - look at the pretty wave i made" crap. -adam --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org ps - that was another dumb joke for the humor-challenged... -- Adam Piontek [http://www.tcinternet.net/users/damek/] ICQ: 3456339 [damek@earthling.net] ... The news is my hooker, and the truth is her pimp! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-07-17 00:42James R McPhersonReal IDM content: VA: Ambient Soho 2CD (MILL 088 CD) Anyone have a track listing for this?
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Real IDM content: VA: Ambient Soho 2CD (MILL 088 CD) Anyone have a track listing for this? I'm wondering which "ambient classics" grace this compilation ... Thanks for any info. Not IDM content: well, maybe: On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT) "are you there god? it's me margaret" <tofu@uci.edu> writes:
quoted 1 line jimmy swaggert (sic)>jimmy swaggert (sic)
Everybody knows the man is not prolific, he's prolife. That's why he spreads his germ with the women of the night. Combining this with the over analysis of: On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 04:46:12 -0500 "Adam Piontek" <damek@earthling.net> writes:
quoted 1 line he's (Kid 606) remixing the attitude, not the genre.>he's (Kid 606) remixing the attitude, not the genre.
leads me to think the list is coming into its second golden age. Now, all we await is Beaumont Hannant's return to the fold. Perhaps Kid 606 can remix Swaggart's attitude, but not his message, and the holy trinity of IDM will be complete on earth. Released on GPR, of course (with engineering duties by Richard Brown - maybe even remixed by Swag!). I think the American Roll Call debate has gone too far, by the way. I would like to discuss great Cuban IDMer's who live on nationalized sugar plantations next. But not any of those damn cigar rolling ones - bunch of commies. J "You should dream more, Mr. Wormold. Reality in our century is not something to be faced." - _Our Man in Havana_ Join The Party @www.cpusa.org ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org