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2000-06-23 00:20Brian MacDonald [idm] Deutsch Amerikanische Freundschaft
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2000-06-23 00:20Brian MacDonaldI recently rediscovered DEUTSCH AMERIKANISCHE FREUNDSHAFT.. thanks my roommate who picked
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I recently rediscovered DEUTSCH AMERIKANISCHE FREUNDSHAFT.. thanks my roommate who picked up some CD reissues, so I figured I'd share some reviews and Mp3's here. To go straight to the Mp3s: http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/daf * "Die Kleinen Und Die Bosen" MEIN GAUT! What an insane, explosive record this is. It sounds like No Wave, with hints of Wire, The Ex, early Cabaret Voltaire, and Throbbing Gristle... but while most of the latter bands took their time to set a dark mood, DAF wasted no time in trying to terrify the living shit out of you here. From what I understand, this was their only record that sounded like this (although I haven't heard their first album "Ein Produkt Der Deutsch Amerikanische Freundschaft", which is apparently an instrumental noise album)... but has the guitarist Wolfgang Spelmans and bassist Michael Kemner been in any other bands that have done something this fucked up and explosive sounding? * "Alles Ist Gut" & "Gold Und Liebe" The first two of their proto-EBM trilogy. Aaah, "Der Mussolini"... enough good things can't be said about this song, besides forming the basis of Nitzer Ebb's entire career (alongside DAF's "Verschwende Deine Jugend" -- which is even more foreshadowing of Nitzer Ebb). Also "Der Mussolini" is strikingly similar in rhythm to Neu! jams like "Hallogallo" and "Fur Immer", or Suicide.. though there are no wall of resonant guitars, but instead an out-of-tune bass synthesizer and an attitude that's set to influence men to put on precariously sharp leather gear and go molest boys at the local gay dance club. Also "Liebe Auf Den Ersten Blick" sounds like something that either Martin Gore or Vince Clarke ripped for either a Depeche Mode or Assembly song, respectively. I don't have the third of the trilogy "Fur Immer" (not to be confused with the Neu! song of course).. How is it in comparison to "Alles Ist Gut" and "Gold Und Liebe"? Again, those Mp3s can be had at http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/daf if you're interested.. Now if only The Normal had actually released more than two songs.... ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> KUCI 88.9 fM in Irvine, CA -- Orange County ======================================================================= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-06-23 08:19Irene McCOn 22 Jun 2000, Brian MacDonald wrote > I recently rediscovered DEUTSCH AMERIKANISCHE FREU
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On 22 Jun 2000, Brian MacDonald wrote
quoted 1 line I recently rediscovered DEUTSCH AMERIKANISCHE FREUNDSHAFT..> I recently rediscovered DEUTSCH AMERIKANISCHE FREUNDSHAFT..
and proceeded to wax very lyrical for quite a bit longer :-) I don't know so much... I jumped on the Neue Deutsche Welle at the time it happened and fully embraced DAF as my No. 1 Heroes. However, the records have laid mouldering for ages and about a year ago Wire Magazine stuck a free sampler CD on the front cover (as they do from time to time) with a DAF track on it, and I was *so* please to see it... only to be *so* disappointed on hearing it again. IMO they haven't aged well. In the intervening years there has been so much progress in the way we create and process sound that their music now sounds very dated (to me). I am also a huge Wire fan and would certainly agree that Wire / Suidice / DAF etc. etc. all played major roles in forging the way and laying down the foundations to the music we are enjoying today, but however good their ideas, they relied on equipment that was available to them in their days. Onward and upward ! I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-06-23 08:58Brian MacDonaldOn Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Irene McC wrote: > year ago Wire Magazine stuck a free sampler CD on
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On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Irene McC wrote:
quoted 4 lines year ago Wire Magazine stuck a free sampler CD on the front cover> year ago Wire Magazine stuck a free sampler CD on the front cover > (as they do from time to time) with a DAF track on it, and I was > *so* please to see it... only to be *so* disappointed on hearing it > again.
Well, my first exposure to DAF was back in the late 80s, when I heard all the hype about how they were so important to industrial music, etc. so I picked up a record they released in the late 80s. BAD BAD IDEA! Boring house music with zero presence... I was turned off the band for almost 10 years afterwards. I later heard "Der Mussolini" and was rejoiced.. then I indulged myself very recently, as you've all seen, and the rest is history.... history of about a week or so, but history nonetheless. ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> KUCI 88.9 fM in Irvine, CA -- Orange County ======================================================================= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-06-23 13:01info@peter-spiess.deAt 10:19 23.06.00 +0200, Irene McC wrote: >On 22 Jun 2000, Brian MacDonald wrote > >> I re
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At 10:19 23.06.00 +0200, Irene McC wrote:
quoted 8 lines On 22 Jun 2000, Brian MacDonald wrote>On 22 Jun 2000, Brian MacDonald wrote > >> I recently rediscovered DEUTSCH AMERIKANISCHE FREUNDSHAFT.. > >and proceeded to wax very lyrical for quite a bit longer :-) > >I don't know so much... I jumped on the Neue Deutsche Welle at the >time it happened and fully embraced DAF as my No. 1 Heroes.
DAF was part of what you mention here as "Neue Deutsche Welle" if you think of NDW as Pop Music with German lyrics. In fact the NDW was the commercial abuse of a large variety of music that fitted such a concept. (from Markus, Nena, Joachim Witt, Hubert Kah, Peter Schilling which often envolved cheap synths in their music creating some identity of german music of that time but there also was a place for Extrabreit and more Punk-like stuff... I think what really mattered to make it an NDW-Song were the German lyrics combined with an fun attitude) Some DAF facts: The first DAF Album was "Produkt der Deutsch Amerikanischen Freundschaft" released in 1979 I think. They were a Band at that time and used the following instruments: Guitar, Bass, Drums, Keyboards, Saxophone and a lot of noise creating a music that was really hard to find an approach to. 1980 "Die Kleinen und das Böse" was released which already mirrored the concept of the later, successfull releases. (Included MS-10 Sounds and loads of noise) Then came a single produced by Daniel Miller called "Kebabtraeume". This was the end of DAFs time as a BAND. C. Haas left (later known for a project named "Liaisons Dangereuses") Delgado and Goerl signed at Virgin. The record "Alles ist gut" followed early 1981 (including "Mussolini" and the gay-ballad "Der Räuber und der Prinz"). 1984 DAF broke. Goerl produced a Solo record with Annie Lennox. 1986 they tried a comeback with the "Brothers" Single (in english language) ...just in case you want to complete your collections ;) IMO DAF wasn´t a typical NDW act. Maybe to some extend they opened the way for many NDW acts through their success.
quoted 9 lines IMO they haven't aged well. In the intervening years there has been> >IMO they haven't aged well. In the intervening years there has been >so much progress in the way we create and process sound that their >music now sounds very dated (to me). I am also a huge Wire fan >and would certainly agree that Wire / Suidice / DAF etc. etc. all >played major roles in forging the way and laying down the >foundations to the music we are enjoying today, but however good >their ideas, they relied on equipment that was available to them in >their days.
Well, Robert Goerl of DAF contributed even more to "modern" Dance Music. He released 4 Long Players and several Maxis on DiskoB since 1993. The last one was "Final Metal Pralinees" released a month or two ago I think. He left Germany before the record came out to become a Buddhist Monk in Thailand. regards Peter F. Spiess -------------------------------------------------------- ...feel free to visit: http://www.peter-spiess.de/ "After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is Music" (A.Huxley) -------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-06-25 05:52Cesium5Hz@aol.comIn a message dated 24/06/00 5:43:14 info@peter-spiess.de writes: > Well, Robert Goerl of D
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In a message dated 24/06/00 5:43:14 info@peter-spiess.de writes:
quoted 5 lines Well, Robert Goerl of DAF contributed even more to "modern" Dance Music. He> Well, Robert Goerl of DAF contributed even more to "modern" Dance Music. He > released 4 Long Players and several Maxis on DiskoB since 1993. The last > one was "Final Metal Pralinees" released a month or two ago I think. He > left Germany before the record came out to become a Buddhist Monk in= > Thailand.
Peter, Not to forget to mention his seminal releases on Namlook's Fax Label out of Frankfurt. However I'm curious to ascertain what that release on DiskoB is like - whether iis in the vein of the other releases - e.g DJ Hell style. Anyway, well done on your Klang releases. Everyone should really check out Peter's 2 releases so far. I'm also not too sure whether Isolee's - Rest (Playhouse) has been talked about recently but it is really worth a listen as it has a classic potential. A bit more in the vein of I Owe You - style released recently (and features some tracks off the ep) - a definite break from earlier Isolee minimalism, thist time Rajko Muller going for that more refined ultra slick and refined electronic 'sound'. Also I managed to get the recent Luomo (Vladislav Delay) - Livingstone on Force Tracks and this is also highly recommended. A great follow up to the recent Market release. Cheers, A_Zed _________________________________________ Program Co-ordinator, Ambient Zone RTRFM 92.1 Sunday Electronic Listening [http://rtrfm.ii.net] Perth, W.Aust (WST) 23.00-01.00 Detroit (EST) 10.00-12.00 Frankfurt (CET)/ London(GMT)16.00-18.00 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org