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2000-06-15 13:17K S [idm] 09 [schematic]?
2000-06-15 13:58Ross Balmer Re: [idm] 09 [schematic]?
└─ 2000-06-15 16:47Konstantin Minko RE: [idm] 09 [schematic]?
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2000-06-15 13:17K SOn Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:26:30 -0500, Adam Piontek wrote: >I agree. I haven't liked any Phoe
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:26:30 -0500, Adam Piontek wrote:
quoted 7 lines I agree. I haven't liked any Phoenecia previous to the material on>I agree. I haven't liked any Phoenecia previous to the material on >Lily of the Valley. Randa Roomet was ok, but it was indeed rather >dry. Everything else I've heard is garbage to my ears. In fact, >pretty much everything on the previous schematic compilation was >garbage to my ears. _Lily_ reaffirmed in my mind the potential of >Schematic... >-adam
Interesting, I thought I was the only one on this list that thought that Ischemic Folks was unlistenable (except track 02 by R. Devine). Mind you, I still give it a spin every now and again just because it *is* interesting. Now, Lily on the other hand is more to my liking (yes, I like Bola "Soup", and yes, I probably should break down and buy a stack of New Age music, fuck you very much). Which leads me to my question: has 09 released an album, EP or single? That 7 milliseconds track is amazing. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-06-15 13:58Ross BalmerMuch as I like Ischemic Folks when I'm in a certain mood, I don't think I would say "unlis
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Much as I like Ischemic Folks when I'm in a certain mood, I don't think I would say "unlistenable" is an unfair description. It's some of the most unapproachable music I have in my collection, and that includes stuff like Schoenberg, Ligeti and Stockhausen - hardly easy listening music. I was under the impression Ischemic Folks wasn't really widely enjoyed on the list, am I wrong? Ross. ----- Original Message ----- From: K S <brazil808@hotmail.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 2:17 PM Subject: [idm] 09 [schematic]?
quoted 11 lines On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:26:30 -0500, Adam Piontek wrote:> On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:26:30 -0500, Adam Piontek wrote: > >I agree. I haven't liked any Phoenecia previous to the material on > >Lily of the Valley. Randa Roomet was ok, but it was indeed rather > >dry. Everything else I've heard is garbage to my ears. In fact, > >pretty much everything on the previous schematic compilation was > >garbage to my ears. _Lily_ reaffirmed in my mind the potential of > >Schematic... > >-adam > > Interesting, I thought I was the only one on this list that thought that > Ischemic Folks was unlistenable (except track 02 by R. Devine). Mind you,
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quoted 3 lines still give it a spin every now and again just because it *is* interesting.> still give it a spin every now and again just because it *is* interesting. > Now, Lily on the other hand is more to my liking (yes, I like Bola "Soup", > and yes, I probably should break down and buy a stack of New Age music,
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quoted 10 lines you very much). Which leads me to my question: has 09 released an album,> you very much). Which leads me to my question: has 09 released an album, > EP or single? That 7 milliseconds track is amazing. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-06-15 16:47Konstantin MinkoWell, as most of the opinions go: Ishemic Folks is shit in comparison to Lily of the Valle
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Well, as most of the opinions go: Ishemic Folks is shit in comparison to Lily of the Valley. I have not heard lily and that is why I like Ishemic Folks. ;) It is indeed hard to conceive but not harder than most of the music I have. It is dull and uncomfortable (which I need sometimes from music - I'm not supportive of the idea that every music has to be bright and make you happy, some tracks need to make you feel sad or dull or angry...) but it strikes me that it was an original idea to make it in such way. The sleeve tells something about it somehow. I cannot say that it is the best stuff I have but I certainly do not regret having it. And by the way it was the only way to get some more Richard Devine tracks for his fan. 8) Alien
quoted 15 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Ross Balmer [mailto:ross@tui.co.uk] > > Much as I like Ischemic Folks when I'm in a certain mood, I don't think I > would say "unlistenable" is an unfair description. It's some of the most > unapproachable music I have in my collection, and that includes stuff like > Schoenberg, Ligeti and Stockhausen - hardly easy listening music. > > I was under the impression Ischemic Folks wasn't really widely enjoyed on > the list, am I wrong? > > Ross. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: K S <brazil808@hotmail.com>
quoted 24 lines On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:26:30 -0500, Adam Piontek wrote:> > > On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:26:30 -0500, Adam Piontek wrote: > > >I agree. I haven't liked any Phoenecia previous to the material on > > >Lily of the Valley. Randa Roomet was ok, but it was indeed rather > > >dry. Everything else I've heard is garbage to my ears. In fact, > > >pretty much everything on the previous schematic compilation was > > >garbage to my ears. _Lily_ reaffirmed in my mind the potential of > > >Schematic... > > >-adam > > > > Interesting, I thought I was the only one on this list that thought that > > Ischemic Folks was unlistenable (except track 02 by R. Devine). > Mind you, > I > > still give it a spin every now and again just because it *is* > interesting. > > Now, Lily on the other hand is more to my liking (yes, I like > Bola "Soup", > > and yes, I probably should break down and buy a stack of New Age music, > fuck > > you very much). Which leads me to my question: has 09 > released an album, > > EP or single? That 7 milliseconds track is amazing. >
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2000-06-15 18:28Adam PiontekActually, it's been my experience that a lot of IDM-ish stuff, especially recent favorites
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Actually, it's been my experience that a lot of IDM-ish stuff, especially recent favorites such as arovane, tends to fall under the categories of dull, wistful, meandering, or other moods that are definitely not "bright and happy." I think it's a problem, actually, an unhealthy obsession with making tracks that sound moody or pensive (perhaps because this sounds more "serious?"). I like a good "dull" or "angry" track as much as the next person, but I would make the claim that, at least in the underground scene of emerging, young artists, there is a notable lack of "bright and happy." The more developed artists with longer histories (Plaid, Aphex Twin, Freeform, Squarepusher, even Boards of Canada) show a mastery of multiple moods in their music. I will always appreciate variety and prefer it to a release on which all the tracks blend together in my memory. I think arovane is a good example of this. I have listend to both the "atol scrap" album and "tides," and while I found it to be quite pleasant, most of it has left little impression on my memory, partly because there's not much variety between tracks (you probably can tell I'm not a gigantic fan of minimalism). I own a lot of music, and there's no way I can listen to it all an equal amount of time. The stuff that gets the most play is the stuff that I remember later on, thinking to myself, "I just have to hear that again." If after a few listens, I later look at a CD and only remember a general mood from a bunch of tracks that have all blended together in my head, I'm probably not going to choose to listen to it again, and consequently that artist, over time, becomes less interesting to me. Now, I do really like the first three tracks on "tides," and track 6 is nice, but while I'm listening to the CD as a whole, the rest generally just goes into the background for me. I realize that this can be a purpose for an artist, to create quality background music (hence ambient), but I'm not a big fan of that. I spend my money to be engaged by music. If I want to not pay attention to something, there's plenty of free ambient noise right outside my window. I love SAWII, though. My point is just that, I wish there were a little more demand for inspired stuff like the Max Tundra's recent variety-filled album (Some Best Friend You Turned Out To Be), and less for autechre-ish "interesting-meandering-noises-but-now-i've-stopped-paying-attention-t o-it" stuff like arovane. Which is not to say that I think arovane is like autechre in style... Obviously I don't have to listen to something just because other people say it's good; I'm just making a case for more variety in moods. -Adam (sorry for the length) On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:47:56 +0300, Konstantin Minko wrote: [re: "Ischemic Strokes" from Schematic]
quoted 8 lines It is indeed hard to conceive but not harder than most of the music I have.>It is indeed hard to conceive but not harder than most of the music I have. >It is dull and uncomfortable (which I need sometimes from music - I'm not >supportive of the idea that every music has to be bright and make you happy, >some tracks need to make you feel sad or dull or angry...) but it strikes me >that it was an original idea to make it in such way. The sleeve tells >something about it somehow. I cannot say that it is the best stuff I have >but I certainly do not regret having it. And by the way it was the only way >to get some more Richard Devine tracks for his fan. 8)
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