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2000-06-06 14:25sony mao [idm] Re: PLUR
2000-06-06 14:38Lisa Lisa Re: [idm] Re: PLUR
└─ 2000-06-06 14:47Konstantin Minko RE: [idm] Re: PLUR
2000-06-06 15:46Re: [idm] Re: PLUR
└─ 2000-06-06 23:20Eyal Dechter RE: [idm] Re: PLUR
2000-06-06 23:54Ron Jeremy RE: [idm] Re: PLUR
2000-06-07 03:51[idm] Re: PLUR
2000-06-13 17:01Ron Jeremy [idm] PLUR
2000-06-13 17:36Ross Balmer Re: [idm] PLUR
2000-06-13 18:07Re: [idm] PLUR
2000-06-13 18:09Ron Jeremy Re: [idm] PLUR
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2000-06-06 14:25sony mao"...whats so funny about peace, love, and understanding?" ________________________________
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2000-06-06 14:38Lisa Lisai agree with you 100% From: "sony mao" <sony_mao@hotmail.com> To: idm@hyperreal.org Subjec
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i agree with you 100% From: "sony mao" <sony_mao@hotmail.com> To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] Re: PLUR Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 10:25:05 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [12.77.146.166] Received: from [209.133.83.16] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBB0654D300C0D820F39AD185531008D50; Tue Jun 06 07:25:24 2000 Received: (qmail 14637 invoked by uid 281); 6 Jun 2000 14:25:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 14627 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2000 14:25:32 -0000
2000-06-06 14:47Konstantin MinkoThe problem is that people propagating this formula do not have peace (as they are worried
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The problem is that people propagating this formula do not have peace (as they are worried too much because of a joke from Wells), love (as they are trying to fight for the acknowledging of their beliefs) and understanding in the first place (a joke is a joke and nothing more). He's playing with you and you do not understand it. Please, this list is for music - not for beliefs, religion, love and all those empty words. Alien
quoted 15 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Lisa Lisa [mailto:hippiechick99@Hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 5:39 PM > To: sony_mao@Hotmail.com > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] Re: PLUR > > > i agree with you 100% > > > > "...whats so funny about peace, love, and understanding?" > ________________________________________________________________________ >
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2000-06-06 15:46antoinecyril.ahtuam@which.netu got a point there! i be joking aswell+ hoping no one took it to heart chill!!!!!! Konsta
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u got a point there! i be joking aswell+ hoping no one took it to heart chill!!!!!! Konstantin Minko wrote:
quoted 31 lines The problem is that people propagating this formula do not have peace (as> > The problem is that people propagating this formula do not have peace (as > they are worried too much because of a joke from Wells), love (as they are > trying to fight for the acknowledging of their beliefs) and understanding in > the first place (a joke is a joke and nothing more). He's playing with you > and you do not understand it. > > Please, this list is for music - not for beliefs, religion, love and all > those empty words. > > Alien > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lisa Lisa [mailto:hippiechick99@Hotmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 5:39 PM > > To: sony_mao@Hotmail.com > > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: [idm] Re: PLUR > > > > > > i agree with you 100% > > > > > > > > "...whats so funny about peace, love, and understanding?" > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2000-06-06 23:20Eyal DechterRavers aren't a group of people listening to electronic music. They are a group of people
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Ravers aren't a group of people listening to electronic music. They are a group of people who dance to electronic music and go to big big big parties and have an overall sense of community. PLURR(Peace Love Unity Respect Responsibility) is just a way to characterize the combined feeling and ideas needed to sustain such activities under the circumstances given at these parties. This idea of PLURR also creats a friendlier enviroment and a safer one than would usually be created at a big party. Maybe these words don't mean much outside of the Rave... but while it is going on they take on a meaning for those who allow to see the words' meanings. I also don't think that an IDM listener should be completely distinct and different from a Raver. Sorry for continuing this on going discussion but I felt I had to put in my imput. -----Original Message----- From: antoinecyril.ahtuam@which.net [mailto:antoinecyril.ahtuam@which.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 8:46 AM To: Konstantin Minko; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Re: PLUR u got a point there! i be joking aswell+ hoping no one took it to heart chill!!!!!! Konstantin Minko wrote:
quoted 4 lines The problem is that people propagating this formula do not have peace (as> > The problem is that people propagating this formula do not have peace (as > they are worried too much because of a joke from Wells), love (as they are > trying to fight for the acknowledging of their beliefs) and understanding
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quoted 27 lines the first place (a joke is a joke and nothing more). He's playing with you> the first place (a joke is a joke and nothing more). He's playing with you > and you do not understand it. > > Please, this list is for music - not for beliefs, religion, love and all > those empty words. > > Alien > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lisa Lisa [mailto:hippiechick99@Hotmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 5:39 PM > > To: sony_mao@Hotmail.com > > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: [idm] Re: PLUR > > > > > > i agree with you 100% > > > > > > > > "...whats so funny about peace, love, and understanding?" > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2000-06-06 23:54Ron Jeremy>From: "Eyal Dechter" <eyal@mediaone.net> > >Ravers aren't a group of people listening to
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quoted 3 lines From: "Eyal Dechter" <eyal@mediaone.net>>From: "Eyal Dechter" <eyal@mediaone.net> > >Ravers aren't a group of people listening to electronic music.
I believe you when you say they aren't listening, because they play a lot of crap at raves. There are some good djs out there, but most I have heard out aren't that good.
quoted 3 lines They are a>They are a >group of people who dance to electronic music and go to big big big parties >and have an overall sense of community.
So ravers have more of a sense of community than other groups? What's the difference between ravers and a bunch of old fucked up crusties at a Dead show? I don't see any
quoted 5 lines PLURR(Peace Love Unity Respect>PLURR(Peace Love Unity Respect >Responsibility) is just a way to characterize the combined feeling and >ideas >needed to sustain such activities under the circumstances given at these >parties.
It's an utopian ideal that isn't real. Sorry i don't buy that just because you are in the rave group there is True Love or True Respect. Most of the DJS don't have respect and love for each other. Most of them are dissing the other any chance they get. I have known my share of djs in my times and they may act like they are friends, but most of the time they will diss the others if they get the chance. I don't think anybody REALLY cares, they just say they do.
quoted 2 lines This idea of PLURR also creats a friendlier enviroment and a safer>This idea of PLURR also creats a friendlier enviroment and a safer >one than would usually be created at a big party.
You really think people would act differently without the concept of PLUR. My moral fabric and sense of self never changes whether I am at a rock show or a rave or at home. Still the same person...when at work.
quoted 1 line Maybe these words don't mean much outside of the Rave...>Maybe these words don't mean much outside of the Rave...
They don't really mean anything, it's just a concept. One that is never truly attained.
quoted 2 lines but while it is going on they take on a meaning for those who allow to >see>but while it is going on they take on a meaning for those who allow to >see >the words' meanings.
Nah
quoted 2 lines I also don't think that an IDM listener should be completely distinct >and>I also don't think that an IDM listener should be completely distinct >and >different from a Raver.
Hopefully, everyone is different regardless of whether they are a plumber or a raver.
quoted 2 lines Sorry for continuing this on going discussion but I felt I had to>Sorry for continuing this on going discussion but I felt I had to >put in my imput.
Neither your input or mine has benefitted the list, neither will any other dumbass PLUR talk. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-06-07 03:51Djslacker227@aol.comPops the cop says: Please Lock Up Ravers -------------------------------------------------
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2000-06-13 17:01Ron JeremyOk, here's a question. The ravers go around preaching or spouting off PLUR, right? They se
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Ok, here's a question. The ravers go around preaching or spouting off PLUR, right? They seem to think or have some sort of vision of Peace, Love Unity and Respect, right? Then why don't they TRY and DO something constructive and creative FOR their communities. At least that is in the spirit of what PLUR is, versus the empty words they just say to make themselves feel better. Do something for someone else. And I don't mean "helping" to score drugs for friends and younger siblings. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ Now let's cool on this tired thread and talk about some WAX!! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-06-13 17:36Ross Balmer----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Jeremy <galactic_funk@hotmail.com> To: <idm@hyperre
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----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Jeremy <galactic_funk@hotmail.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 6:01 PM Subject: [idm] PLUR
quoted 1 line Ok, here's a question. The ravers go around preaching or spouting off> Ok, here's a question. The ravers go around preaching or spouting off
PLUR,
quoted 1 line right? They seem to think or have some sort of vision of Peace, Love> right? They seem to think or have some sort of vision of Peace, Love
Unity
quoted 4 lines and Respect, right? Then why don't they TRY and DO something constructive> and Respect, right? Then why don't they TRY and DO something constructive > and creative FOR their communities. > > At least that is in the spirit of what PLUR is, versus the empty words
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quoted 2 lines just say to make themselves feel better. Do something for someone else.> just say to make themselves feel better. Do something for someone else. > And I don't mean "helping" to score drugs for friends and younger
siblings. How do you know what they spend their time doing? I see all these assumptions being made about people, like they spend all their time taking drugs, with very little evidence. It's all too easy to assume people conform to your convenient stereotypes, but real people rarely do. It annoys me so much to see all this prejudice, elitism and putting words into people's mouths. And lest it happen to me, I did most of my raving way back in 1989 and I've seen all the things people are complaining about, but all a rave is a party with a dj where people dance. There's no prerequisite that all who attend are 14 and take shovels full of drugs. Plenty of people who like to party are perfectly aware that that's not responsible behavior. Ross. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-06-13 18:07NERVECANDY@aol.comdamn skippy bro, words dont mean a damn thing if you dont back em up. so all the children
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damn skippy bro, words dont mean a damn thing if you dont back em up. so all the children out there with this pre concieved notion of peace love unity and respect should do themselves a favir as well as the rest of the world and start doing more than bashing me for challenging their pea sized mentalities. all i said was that i didnt want to hear the poop that has been floating around my mailbox, and i AM entitled to my opinion. i suggest these people get a new list to discuss this crap so i can back to reading my album reviews and artist updates.... mike --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-06-13 18:09Ron JeremyFrom: "Ross Balmer" <ross@tui.co.uk> Responding to RJ ~ RJ: Ok, here's a question. The rav
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From: "Ross Balmer" <ross@tui.co.uk> Responding to RJ ~ RJ: Ok, here's a question. The ravers go around preaching or >>spouting off PLUR, right? They seem to think or have some sort of >>vision of Peace, Love Unity and Respect, right? Then why don't they >>TRY and DO something constructive and creative FOR their communities.
quoted 4 lines At least that is in the spirit of what PLUR is, versus the empty words>>At least that is in the spirit of what PLUR is, versus the empty words >>they just say to make themselves feel better. Do something for >>someone >>else. And I don't mean "helping" to score drugs for friends >>and younger >>siblings.
~RB: How do you know what they spend their time doing? ~RJ: PLUR seems to be a widespread concept through out the rave scenes. If there was some work on a decent level being done, it would probably get some attention. ~RB: I see all these assumptions being made about people, like they spend all their time taking drugs, with very little evidence. It's all too easy to assume people conform to your convenient stereotypes, but real people rarely do. ~RJ: I suppose the stereotype exists because you see SO MANY people on drugs at raves. Yes, I have seen A LOT!! Kids do OD or fuck themselves up bad. Certainly not everyone does, but it's pretty common. Thus the stereotype. ~RB: It annoys me so much to see all this prejudice, elitism and putting words into people's mouths. ~RJ: I only speak to what I have consistently seen. I have had kids ask if I am going to buy drugs if they have some powder to inject. It's sad to see someone so young already a junkie, and there are SOME. ~RB: And lest it happen to me, I did most of my raving way back in 1989 and I've seen all the things people are complaining about, but all a rave is a party with a dj where people dance. There's no prerequisite that all who attend are 14 and take shovels full of drugs. Plenty of people who like to party are perfectly aware that that's not responsible behavior. ~RJ: Raves have gotten more massive in size since 1989, attendance sizes have increased, and there are WAY more people out there selling now also. Go to them now, then comment. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org