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2000-05-31 13:41Kent williams [idm] Ensemble/Sketch Proposal
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2000-05-31 13:41Kent williamsEnsemble -- Sketch Proposals (Rephlex CAT101) Rephlex is a label that by turns amazes and
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Ensemble -- Sketch Proposals (Rephlex CAT101) Rephlex is a label that by turns amazes and frustrates fans. For every Bogdan Raczynski there's a DMX Crew (or Like A Tim) -- brilliant state of the art stuff contrasted with prankish silliness. It's like they really don't give a fuck -- which is interesting with respect to using conceptual art as a business model, but annoying when you've dropped your entertainment dollar on something that's unlistenable. All is forgiven when they give us something as musically emotional involving as the new Ensemble record. Ensemble seems to me to pick up several threads in electronic music and fuse them into something wonderful. From Pole/Oval/Etc they've incorporated the glitch aesthetic of percussion. From Seefeel/My Bloody Valentine they've picked up the torch of sad, vibrato-free female vocals. In fact when listening to Ensemble there are times when it seems like that My Bloody Valentine album that will never happen -- pop music that celebrates vagueness and lateral discursion. And the assymetric lurching melodicism balanced against broken-radio breakbeats seems to me to deliver on a promise that Oval never did, of making an actual connection to the listener. Which isn't to say that Ensemble is derivative, except in the sense that no music occurs in a vacuum. They've just managed to synthesize their influences into something that works. It is music that I'd love to see performed live, really loud, even as it's overall impact is of quiet. I'm hoping that they have a long career with Rephlex as they seem to have plenty to say ... kent williams -- kent@avalon.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-31 17:55Paul RobinsonYeah, you're right about Rephlex's contrasting releases, I think they really do care about
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Yeah, you're right about Rephlex's contrasting releases, I think they really do care about what they release so much that they're like releasing these 'red herring' or 'joke' releases so as to look like they're not up their own arse like a lot of labels end up doing which is not cool really... that Ovuca 'King Stacey' is a belting release, but then I know that the release or so after that will probably be taking the piss like that Bodenstandig 2000 pile of shit which I just never listen to, same goes for that L'ektrogirl - now that must be a spoof, funny though, you've got to see the funny side though. There seems to be a pattern forming... In the early days of Rephlex all the releases were consistently brilliant, now they're few and far between, shame. Waste of money. But I still buy their stuff... they know that the 'completists' among us will buy it, so they use that to their advantage. Maybe Rephlex will realise this and hopefully change the pattern again when it starts getting predictable... <PMR>
quoted 38 lines Ensemble -- Sketch Proposals (Rephlex CAT101)>Ensemble -- Sketch Proposals (Rephlex CAT101) > >Rephlex is a label that by turns amazes and frustrates fans. For every >Bogdan Raczynski there's a DMX Crew (or Like A Tim) -- brilliant state >of the art stuff contrasted with prankish silliness. It's like they >really don't give a fuck -- which is interesting with respect to >using conceptual art as a business model, but annoying when you've dropped >your entertainment dollar on something that's unlistenable. > >All is forgiven when they give us something as musically emotional involving >as the new Ensemble record. Ensemble seems to me to pick up several threads >in electronic music and fuse them into something wonderful. > >>From Pole/Oval/Etc they've incorporated the glitch aesthetic of percussion. >>From Seefeel/My Bloody Valentine they've picked up the torch of sad, >vibrato-free female vocals. In fact when listening to Ensemble there are >times when it seems like that My Bloody Valentine album that will never >happen -- pop music that celebrates vagueness and lateral discursion. > >And the assymetric lurching melodicism balanced against broken-radio >breakbeats seems to me to deliver on a promise that Oval never did, of making >an actual connection to the listener. > >Which isn't to say that Ensemble is derivative, except in the sense that >no music occurs in a vacuum. They've just managed to synthesize their >influences into something that works. It is music that I'd love to see >performed live, really loud, even as it's overall impact is of quiet. > >I'm hoping that they have a long career with Rephlex as they seem >to have plenty to say ... > > >kent williams -- kent@avalon.net > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2000-05-31 17:07::: tomagotchi :::At 17:55 31/05/00 +0000, mr robinson wrote: >Yeah, you're right about Rephlex's contrastin
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At 17:55 31/05/00 +0000, mr robinson wrote:
quoted 14 lines Yeah, you're right about Rephlex's contrasting releases, I think they>Yeah, you're right about Rephlex's contrasting releases, I think they >really do care about what they release so much that they're like releasing >these 'red herring' or 'joke' releases so as to look like they're not up >their own arse like a lot of labels end up doing which is not cool >really... that Ovuca 'King Stacey' is a belting release, but then I know >that the release or so after that will probably be taking the piss like >that Bodenstandig 2000 pile of shit which I just never listen to, same goes >for that L'ektrogirl - now that must be a spoof, funny though, you've got >to see the funny side though. There seems to be a pattern forming... In >the early days of Rephlex all the releases were consistently brilliant, now >they're few and far between, shame. Waste of money. But I still buy their >stuff... they know that the 'completists' among us will buy it, so they use >that to their advantage. Maybe Rephlex will realise this and hopefully >change the pattern again when it starts getting predictable...
sorry, but i have to, at this point, jump to the defence of rephlex. the seriousness of 'the wire' and certain stuff isn't all some of us listen to.. i don't know if you might have considered that maybe those rephlex peeps actually LIKE the records they release? *shock*. i haven't heard the lektrogirl album, but the bodenstandig 2000 album was one of my very favourites of last year! it reminds me that there are people in the world who are capable of actually not following the crowd, and maybe just fucking a bit of shit up here and there. as for you argument about people buying rephlex releases to be 'completists'..? what the fuck..? if people are gonna be anal enough to go and buy records that they don't like just because it's cool to own all the rephlex catalogue then i don't think they are really in any position to complain about what gets released!! next you are gonna want to buy the japanese imports too because they've got different catalogue numbers, and your collections might not be complete without those catalogue numbers. rephlex DO release consistantly good and exciting records.. and i love them for it. i don't own the whole back catalogue though, so i presume i can't be in your gang. tom xx -- in the year two thousand i think that people will be able to fly everybody will have little rocket shooty things tied on there ankles that shoot fire all our clothes will be made of silver with diamons and roobys we will have no hair and our houses will be like big bouncey bubbles in the sky or under the sea and children will not have to go to school but will watch telly all day and eat baked beans --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-06-01 08:45Samam i the only one who thinks that these two are the best projects on rephlex ever? oh well
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am i the only one who thinks that these two are the best projects on rephlex ever? oh well..... sam -----Original Message----- From: Kent williams <kent@avalon.net> To: intelligent dance music <idm@hyperreal.org> Date: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 6:42 AM Subject: [idm] Ensemble/Sketch Proposal
quoted 9 lines Ensemble -- Sketch Proposals (Rephlex CAT101)>Ensemble -- Sketch Proposals (Rephlex CAT101) > >Rephlex is a label that by turns amazes and frustrates fans. For every >Bogdan Raczynski there's a DMX Crew (or Like A Tim) -- brilliant state >of the art stuff contrasted with prankish silliness. It's like they >really don't give a fuck -- which is interesting with respect to >using conceptual art as a business model, but annoying when you've dropped >your entertainment dollar on something that's unlistenable. >
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2000-06-01 09:21Paul Robinson>At 17:55 31/05/00 +0000, mr robinson wrote: > >>Yeah, you're right about Rephlex's contra
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quoted 21 lines At 17:55 31/05/00 +0000, mr robinson wrote:>At 17:55 31/05/00 +0000, mr robinson wrote: > >>Yeah, you're right about Rephlex's contrasting releases, I think they >>really do care about what they release so much that they're like releasing >>these 'red herring' or 'joke' releases so as to look like they're not up >>their own arse like a lot of labels end up doing which is not cool >>really... that Ovuca 'King Stacey' is a belting release, but then I know >>that the release or so after that will probably be taking the piss like >>that Bodenstandig 2000 pile of shit which I just never listen to, same goes >>for that L'ektrogirl - now that must be a spoof, funny though, you've got >>to see the funny side though. There seems to be a pattern forming... In >>the early days of Rephlex all the releases were consistently brilliant, now >>they're few and far between, shame. Waste of money. But I still buy their >>stuff... they know that the 'completists' among us will buy it, so they use >>that to their advantage. Maybe Rephlex will realise this and hopefully >>change the pattern again when it starts getting predictable... > >sorry, but i have to, at this point, jump to the defence of rephlex. the >seriousness of 'the wire' and certain stuff isn't all some of us listen >to.. i don't know if you might have considered that maybe those rephlex >peeps actually LIKE the records they release? *shock*.
Doh! Maybe they release them cos' they're knowingly shit? *shock* Anyway, why do you have to 'defend Rephlex' to a loyal Rephlex fan? Uh?
quoted 4 lines i haven't heard the lektrogirl album, but the bodenstandig 2000 album was>i haven't heard the lektrogirl album, but the bodenstandig 2000 album was >one of my very favourites of last year! it reminds me that there are people >in the world who are capable of actually not following the crowd, and maybe >just fucking a bit of shit up here and there.
Most of use can create shit tracks, but Bodenstandig were lucky enough to get them released. :)
quoted 7 lines as for you argument about people buying rephlex releases to be>as for you argument about people buying rephlex releases to be >'completists'..? what the fuck..? if people are gonna be anal enough to go >and buy records that they don't like just because it's cool to own all the >rephlex catalogue then i don't think they are really in any position to >complain about what gets released!! next you are gonna want to buy the >japanese imports too because they've got different catalogue numbers, and >your collections might not be complete without those catalogue numbers.
You're barking up the wrong tree here in getting all defensive and all that, people have a right to complain as consumers so you're wrong there. In buying Rephlex stuff you buy it in the hope of something very different to the mainstream, if it turns out you don't like it it doesn't mean that you're 'anal' for not liking it? Uh? You don't make sense... The bottom line is there are a lot of us on the list who buy nearly everything a particular label releases cos' we like the majority of their stuff. People should speak up if they don't like something, otherwise the label might carry on releasing the wrong records and start to lose sales. It's just pure business sense, did you ever study economics?
quoted 3 lines rephlex DO release consistantly good and exciting records.. and i love them>rephlex DO release consistantly good and exciting records.. and i love them >for it. i don't own the whole back catalogue though, so i presume i can't >be in your gang.
"I can't be in your gang"? WTF! Don't be silly, chill out, I've been buying Rephlex records from just about day one! I still buy their stuff, so I think you can say I DO like what they're releasing! All I was saying was they release the odd shit record these days, but don't most labels? Over and out.. <PMR> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org