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2000-05-28 23:22[idm] Detroit in the news.
└─ 2000-05-28 23:37Jeff Shoemaker Re: [idm] Detroit in the news.
2000-05-28 23:45Re: [idm] Detroit in the news.
2000-05-29 00:20Intermodal Re: [idm] Detroit in the news.
2000-05-30 21:08Kelley Hackett RE: [idm] Detroit in the news.
2000-05-30 21:18Twine sound RE: [idm] Detroit in the news.
└─ 2000-05-30 22:07MikeD RE: [idm] Detroit in the news.
2000-05-30 21:24Kelley Hackett RE: [idm] Detroit in the news.
2000-05-30 22:23rob salls RE: [idm] Detroit in the news.
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2000-05-31 03:37Kelley Hackett RE: [idm] Detroit in the news.
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2000-05-28 23:22Magicnerd8@aol.comhttp://my.aol.com/entertainment/story.tmpl?table=n&cat=03&id=0005280342180524 ------------
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2000-05-28 23:37Jeff Shoemaker>http://my.aol.com/entertainment/story.tmpl?table=n&cat=03&id=0005280342180524 good story,
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good story, but: ``It's revolutionary in music because this is the birthplace of electronic dance music, and Detroit is revered globally for its achievement.'' thay wuh? that's a little like saying that Vienna is the birthplace of classical, or that Nashville is the birthplace of country. shoot, earlier in the story the writer states that Detroit is where "electronic music was born." i can understand getting really excited about the DEMF, but let's not get carried away. -jeff ------------ 1642 try 621 ------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-28 23:45Magicnerd8@aol.com<<shoot, earlier in the story the writer states that Detroit is where "electronic music wa
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<<shoot, earlier in the story the writer states that Detroit is where "electronic music was born." i can understand getting really excited about the DEMF, but let's not get carried away. -jeff>> yah no shit!!! niggaz, we all know autechre and aphex invented electronic moozikk, who wants some bootlegs?!?? -tha true IDMahhhh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-29 00:20IntermodalHello, My favorite part of the articles was: ``It's the same music they use at sporting ev
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Hello, My favorite part of the articles was: ``It's the same music they use at sporting events to get the crowd excited,'' she said. ``It has all that passion, and they're going to recognize that, and I think everyone will feel comfortable.'' I do not know which games she goes to, but I've yet to hear decent electronic music at any stadium game in Detroit. I know what you mean by the over-hyping of Detroit music, obviously there was a huge Detroit influence in early IDM and much electronic music since, but it isn't like we had something like Nordwest Deustcher Runkfunk in the early 1950's. Although Ann Arbor(University town 30 minutes west of Detroit) did have really bitchin' Bell Audio Lab that did a lot of ground breaking research and development in audio electronics in the 50's and 60's...but that is another thread. I will say that I checked out the DEMF yesterday, and it was really special. It was not geared towards jaded purists, but more about regular people who might not have access to electronic music through normal media channels. It was good to see families with small children walking around taking it in, and perhaps realizing that electronic music is about more than "rave-danger" spots in tabloid news. Tikiman/chain reaction was excellent, as was D-wynn and Theo Parrish. Bill VanLoo apparently had a great set, I missed it, but people were talking about it all afternoon. After the festival ended I met up with a few people at the 430west party ( http://www.430west.com ) and caught Octave One live, which was the best part of the day as far as I'm concerned. A bit later we headed over to 7th City ( http://www.7thcity.com ) and saw John Tejada play a nice set in a 15'x20' room. I got there at five in the afternoon yesterday, and walked in the door at 5:30 this morning. There is definitely excitement in the air, and it is going to be an interesting night. I am looking forward to tomorrow. Take care, Mike Taylor PS what up kemp? Jeff Shoemaker wrote:
quoted 23 lines > > >http://my.aol.com/entertainment/story.tmpl?table=n&cat=03&id=0005280342180524 > > good story, but: > > ``It's revolutionary in music because this is the birthplace of electronic > dance music, and Detroit is revered globally for its achievement.'' > > thay wuh? that's a little like saying that Vienna is the birthplace of > classical, or that Nashville is the birthplace of country. shoot, earlier > in the story the writer states that Detroit is where "electronic music was > born." i can understand getting really excited about the DEMF, but let's > not get carried away. > > -jeff > > ------------ > 1642 try 621 > ------------ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2000-05-30 21:08Kelley HackettI assume sarcastic.......? -----Original Message----- From: Magicnerd8@aol.com [mailto:Mag
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I assume sarcastic.......? -----Original Message----- From: Magicnerd8@aol.com [mailto:Magicnerd8@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 6:45 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Detroit in the news. <<shoot, earlier in the story the writer states that Detroit is where "electronic music was born." i can understand getting really excited about the DEMF, but let's not get carried away. -jeff>> yah no shit!!! niggaz, we all know autechre and aphex invented electronic moozikk, who wants some bootlegs?!?? -tha true IDMahhhh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-30 21:18Twine soundWell, The festival was great. And Detroit was the Catalyst for launching electronic music.
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Well, The festival was great. And Detroit was the Catalyst for launching electronic music. Read "Generation Extacy, or watch modulations." It covers the history. --Chad
quoted 36 lines From: Kelley Hackett <khackett@aba.iupui.edu>>From: Kelley Hackett <khackett@aba.iupui.edu> >To: Magicnerd8@aol.com >CC: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [idm] Detroit in the news. >Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:08:17 -0500 > >I assume sarcastic.......? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Magicnerd8@aol.com [mailto:Magicnerd8@aol.com] >Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 6:45 PM >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Detroit in the news. > > ><<shoot, earlier >in the story the writer states that Detroit is where "electronic music was >born." i can understand getting really excited about the DEMF, but let's >not get carried away. > > -jeff>> > >yah no shit!!! niggaz, we all know autechre and aphex invented electronic >moozikk, who wants some bootlegs?!?? > >-tha true IDMahhhh > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-05-30 22:07MikeDI'm amused by this... just by reading a book or watching a documentary you can get the ful
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I'm amused by this... just by reading a book or watching a documentary you can get the full history of electronic music... i must admit both are good resources for what has occurred in the history of electronic music, but detroit is NOT the catalyst for launching electronic music. In fact, I'd tend to believe every section of this earth has had a part in launching electronic music... from the "techno pioneers" in detroit to the warehouse and garage djs in chicago and nyc to the d&b creators in the UK to john cage in champaign/urbana, IL basically every section of earth has had *some* part in making electronic music what it is today. A good article, which complements Modulations and "Generation Ecstacy" is "Think" by Ed Luna located at http://www.ele-mental.org/ele_ment/think/original/think.html Basically it says techno music started when we as humans started interacting with our environments. -m
quoted 51 lines The festival was great. And Detroit was the Catalyst for launching> The festival was great. And Detroit was the Catalyst for launching > electronic music. Read "Generation Extacy, or watch modulations." It > covers the history. > > --Chad > > >From: Kelley Hackett <khackett@aba.iupui.edu> > >To: Magicnerd8@aol.com > >CC: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: RE: [idm] Detroit in the news. > >Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:08:17 -0500 > > > >I assume sarcastic.......? > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Magicnerd8@aol.com [mailto:Magicnerd8@aol.com] > >Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 6:45 PM > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] Detroit in the news. > > > > > ><<shoot, earlier > >in the story the writer states that Detroit is where "electronic music was > >born." i can understand getting really excited about the DEMF, but let's > >not get carried away. > > > > -jeff>> > > > >yah no shit!!! niggaz, we all know autechre and aphex invented electronic > >moozikk, who wants some bootlegs?!?? > > > >-tha true IDMahhhh > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-05-30 21:24Kelley Hackettha ha...why would I have to do that when I am with the brothas who started the music......
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ha ha...why would I have to do that when I am with the brothas who started the music........? Hk! -----Original Message----- From: Twine sound [mailto:twine_sound@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 4:18 PM To: khackett@aba.iupui.edu; Magicnerd8@aol.com Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] Detroit in the news. Well, The festival was great. And Detroit was the Catalyst for launching electronic music. Read "Generation Extacy, or watch modulations." It covers the history. --Chad
quoted 36 lines From: Kelley Hackett <khackett@aba.iupui.edu>>From: Kelley Hackett <khackett@aba.iupui.edu> >To: Magicnerd8@aol.com >CC: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [idm] Detroit in the news. >Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:08:17 -0500 > >I assume sarcastic.......? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Magicnerd8@aol.com [mailto:Magicnerd8@aol.com] >Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 6:45 PM >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Detroit in the news. > > ><<shoot, earlier >in the story the writer states that Detroit is where "electronic music was >born." i can understand getting really excited about the DEMF, but let's >not get carried away. > > -jeff>> > >yah no shit!!! niggaz, we all know autechre and aphex invented electronic >moozikk, who wants some bootlegs?!?? > >-tha true IDMahhhh > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-05-30 22:23rob sallsSure , then what has sf done?? Spawn tribute bands???" or was that florida????? __________
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Sure , then what has sf done?? Spawn tribute bands???" or was that florida????? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-31 00:07IDMKitten@aol.comIn a message dated 5/30/00 6:24:36 PM, uncutvein@hotmail.com writes: << Sure , then what h
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2000-05-31 03:37Kelley Hackett....haa haa....let me try and change my pace so that some of you may better understand me.
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....haa haa....let me try and change my pace so that some of you may better understand me. Nearly most of you, I have discovered, are young cats, save a few. Coupled with the fact that nearly most of you are white, you only speak of documentaries.....articles, interviews, books--all of which are secondary information. How many of you can say that you went to basement parties when you were younger(or whatever type of party) and heard the DJ mixing Pocket Calculator or Numbers? Sure some of ya can, but how many can say I have experienced underground clubs where brothers dance to Hip hop and, at the drop of hat---"Jitt" to Techno...and then back again to Hip hop?.. What about George Clinton and the many bands which he influenced. Who remembers his concerts when the entire place smelled like Dank, and black lights, strobe lights and lights of all colors dimly lit the stage? This is what Techno is all about, the past cats(people).... This is what Theo Parish, Eddie "Fucking" Fowlkes, the ROOTS, Alan and some others tried to teach the crowd at the DEMF...seems that few learned this.....by playing older music...but still rocking tha Fuck out of me and all of you, they attempted to show U that they are just teachers. With their Music as the lesson and the Soul as the crux, they taught us many things...and its funny when I think about it, because this form of learning(and also Dancing) goes back in many African cultures and civilizations(Native Americans too, and I met two cool ass Indian cats from Canada).... Some Jose cat on the 313 mentioned a club called The Outcast......Thats where you will find the true Techno....but with fear, coupled with white anxiety....you'll never see it! and my message will seem and sound as askew as all the other messages I have written. Frisco(San Franscico)---it has its good artists, but these artists havent went thru the same pains as Detroit artists(the tacit agreement by many people to overlook the FACT that African Americans catch HELL in AMerica is truly beyond me). My apologies though, for my way of communication is not the way to teach people. Me, angry isnt the word. Culturally plundering many of our art forms--such as Blues, Reggae, Jazz, etc.....the Machine--if you will--has ultimately controlled the distribution of music and thereby has adequately marketed it to the younger white population and not the younger African American population. It has grown exponentially as a result. But there remains a few proud Warriors who battle the giant, never selling themselves to the Machine....never selling out for the money, fame, glory, status and or recognition, who I had the pleasure of meeting. Galliant ass muthfuck'n NIGHTS many of you would relate to them as. They know the deal.....and some of U others know but it, but its only a few.......Now I hope all you treat this post as you treated all my others ones, dont respond............Just read it.. p.s. I speak of Techno, not of what YOU call "electronic music" 2-much said O.A.R!-Kore -----Original Message----- From: MikeD To: Twine sound Cc: khackett@aba.iupui.edu; Magicnerd8@aol.com; idm@hyperreal.org Sent: 5/30/00 5:07 PM Subject: RE: [idm] Detroit in the news. I'm amused by this... just by reading a book or watching a documentary you can get the full history of electronic music... i must admit both are good resources for what has occurred in the history of electronic music, but detroit is NOT the catalyst for launching electronic music. In fact, I'd tend to believe every section of this earth has had a part in launching electronic music... from the "techno pioneers" in detroit to the warehouse and garage djs in chicago and nyc to the d&b creators in the UK to john cage in champaign/urbana, IL basically every section of earth has had *some* part in making electronic music what it is today. A good article, which complements Modulations and "Generation Ecstacy" is "Think" by Ed Luna located at http://www.ele-mental.org/ele_ment/think/original/think.html Basically it says techno music started when we as humans started interacting with our environments. -m
quoted 2 lines The festival was great. And Detroit was the Catalyst for launching> The festival was great. And Detroit was the Catalyst for launching > electronic music. Read "Generation Extacy, or watch modulations." It
quoted 21 lines covers the history.> covers the history. > > --Chad > > >From: Kelley Hackett <khackett@aba.iupui.edu> > >To: Magicnerd8@aol.com > >CC: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: RE: [idm] Detroit in the news. > >Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:08:17 -0500 > > > >I assume sarcastic.......? > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Magicnerd8@aol.com [mailto:Magicnerd8@aol.com] > >Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 6:45 PM > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] Detroit in the news. > > > > > ><<shoot, earlier > >in the story the writer states that Detroit is where "electronic
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quoted 53 lines ....haa haa....let me try and change my pace so that some of you may better> ....haa haa....let me try and change my pace so that some of you may better >understand me. > >Nearly most of you, I have discovered, are young cats, save a few. Coupled >with the fact that nearly most of you are white, you only speak of >documentaries.....articles, interviews, books--all of which are secondary >information. How many of you can say that you went to basement parties when >you were younger(or whatever type of party) and heard the DJ mixing Pocket >Calculator or Numbers? Sure some of ya can, but how many can say I have >experienced underground clubs where brothers dance to Hip hop and, at the >drop of hat---"Jitt" to Techno...and then back again to Hip hop?.. > >What about George Clinton and the many bands which he influenced. Who >remembers his concerts when the entire place smelled like Dank, and black >lights, strobe lights and lights of all colors dimly lit the stage? This is >what Techno is all about, the past cats(people).... This is what Theo >Parish, Eddie "Fucking" Fowlkes, the ROOTS, Alan and some others tried to >teach the crowd at the DEMF...seems that few learned this.....by playing >older music...but still rocking tha Fuck out of me and all of you, they >attempted to show U that they are just teachers. With their Music as the >lesson and the Soul as the crux, they taught us many things...and its funny >when I think about it, because this form of learning(and also Dancing) goes >back in many African cultures and civilizations(Native Americans too, and I >met two cool ass Indian cats from Canada).... > >Some Jose cat on the 313 mentioned a club called The Outcast......Thats >where you will find the true Techno....but with fear, coupled with white >anxiety....you'll never see it! and my message will seem and sound as askew >as all the other messages I have written. > >Frisco(San Franscico)---it has its good artists, but these artists havent >went thru the same pains as Detroit artists(the tacit agreement by many >people to overlook the FACT that African Americans catch HELL in AMerica is >truly beyond me). > >My apologies though, for my way of communication is not the way to teach >people. Me, angry isnt the word. Culturally plundering many of our art >forms--such as Blues, Reggae, Jazz, etc.....the Machine--if you will--has >ultimately controlled the distribution of music and thereby has adequately >marketed it to the younger white population and not the younger African >American population. It has grown exponentially as a result. But there >remains a few proud Warriors who battle the giant, never selling themselves >to the Machine....never selling out for the money, fame, glory, status and >or recognition, who I had the pleasure of meeting. > >Galliant ass muthfuck'n NIGHTS many of you would relate to them as. They >know the deal.....and some of U others know but it, but its only a >few.......Now I hope all you treat this post as you treated all my others >ones, dont respond............Just read it.. > > > >p.s. I speak of Techno, not of what YOU call "electronic music"
erm, i spoke of "electronic music. i refuted the statement in the original Time article that claimed that (paraphrasing): "Electronic music was born in Detroit." that's just plain wrong. i can see how we're not talking about the same thing at all here, but i don't think that's important to Kelley right now. i really think it's shitty of you to play the race card on this. i don't need to be "taught," or to be compelled to "pay it all back." of course every form of pop music in the 20 century stole most of their game from black americans. everything after "techno" is no different. but there was electronic music before Juan Atkins, right? right? maybe i'm wrong. i know the impact that detroit had (or has) on the world of music, but i don't need to pray in the direction of Detroit every time i hear an 808. i've heard too much good electronic music from so many places. it seems as if there's some sort of creepy revisionism coming round with techno. i don't know if Kelley's line of thinking is common, but i'm pretty concerned if it is. pretty soon we'll have OMD seeing Mayday playing at Tresor before cutting their first full-length, and Raymond Scott . -jeff p.s. i bought a DJ Godfather mix CD today. pretty good, and i'm listening to it right now. but the guy who sold it to me was white, so sorry about that. p.p.s. on a personal note, i find Kelley Hackett (online) to be childish, petulant, and incapable of having a decent argument (often by virtue of not arguing at all but simply raving about Detroit and Sheffield). unfortunately, Kelley gets the distinction of being "that one guy" on this particular list that i am incapable of ignoring. so, unless there's some real discussion here about music i'll just let this be. ------------ 1642 try 621 ------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-31 13:21gweinstock@HWS.EDUOn Tue, 30 May 2000, Kelley Hackett wrote: > Parish, Eddie "Fucking" Fowlkes, the ROOTS, A
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quoted 1 line Parish, Eddie "Fucking" Fowlkes, the ROOTS, Alan and some others tried to> Parish, Eddie "Fucking" Fowlkes, the ROOTS, Alan and some others tried to
isn't it "flashing" as opposed to "f*cking"? it sounds kind of funny the second way. g. gweinstock@hws.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org