I just don't understand why all of you whine about rap vocals on new F-ung.
It doesn't fit, it doesn't fall into same frequency range... etc.
I just think it is a mind blowing record full of surprises and unpredictable
fusions. If it does not sound as anything you've heard before it does not
mean it's bad. It is new. But hey - who said that the beat and voice and
background music shall be mixed in certain way with certain volume
limitations and not the other?
I mean no offence but after reading your posts I am sure I would better
avoid this album than buy it for "extraexaggarated price of $15". 8-)
But this album is fantastic and I strongly advise anyone into F-ung sound to
ignore negative reaction from the list and give it a try at least.
THIS POST IS STRICTLY MHO.
Alien
np. U-ziq "Lunatic Harness"
btw. I am not a rap fan - I'd rather say I hate it in most of its
interpretations. Only such bands as Cypress Hill, Tribe Called Quest and
couple of others justify for me the very presence of rap culture.
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> From: Neujinn01@aol.com [mailto:Neujinn01@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 1:06 PM
> To: idm@hyperreal.org
> Subject: [idm] Rap in IDM...?
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>
> I just got finished listening to the new Funkstorung as well,
> and for me
> it begs the question that I must ask: Does the fusion of IDM an
> Rap really
> work all that well?
> I generally really like Funkstorung, and have consistently
> enjoyed their
> work pretty much up to this point. I have noted obviously their
> fascination
> with infusing hip-hop/rap elements in their music with such
> tracks like their
> remix on the East Flatbush project and Add'l Prod., both of which I think
> succeeded only moderately well. The fusion both times I felt to
> be tenuous
> at best. It always seems forced, or strained. Like an element
> that doesn't
> belong. (Of course, there are loads of other IDM artists who incorporate
> hip-hop elements in their music as well, Autechre being no exception, and
> each time, from what I can hear, to questionable results.)
> The problem is I think they are just two very different
> genres of music
> listened to for very different reasons. A good rap track can have steady
> beat (usually a typical 4/4 or otherwise), a funky baseline, hopefully an
> original sample, and an MC whose rhymes flow in tandem with the beat and
> rhythmn. (When it's done well, that is.) And that's fine.
> IDM can have a similiar mindset, but is ever moving forward
> as a genre,
> pushing the limits of sound and structure into bounds well beyond
> what any
> average listener would even call music. And that's fine, too.
> Great even!
> It is why I've always liked it and listened to it.
> Rap, however (primarily in it's current state of stagnancy) isn't
> concerned with any of these things (as neither is most anything
> mainstream),
> probably because simply it doesn't need to be. It will all make
> it onto MTV
> just the same. And it just never seems to work when these two
> conceptually
> opposed musical cousins are brought together.
> Having an MC rapping over Funkstorung's beautiful squeeches and
> squelches, disjointed rhythms and distorted melodies just doesn't
> work for
> me. Sorry.
> And while the singing vocals weren't as jarring, I found
> myself groaning
> every time an MC chimed in over the glitchy squelchy rhythmic mayhem of
> Funkstorung, which is solely what I was looking forward to when I
> bought the
> cd. I found all the MC'ing to be an unwelcome addition. I think
> it grounds
> the album's otherwise impressive sonics down in a way which I felt worked
> against it, rather than with it.
> You've probably surmised by now that I'm not the biggest fan of Rap.
> Well, it's really only modern day rap in particular. The reason being is
> that I think it has descended into nothing more than yet another
> commercial
> medium absorbed whole by the mainstream, and, in a striking bit
> of irony, has
> become the very thing that's initial inception was meant to defy
> against.
> Gone is the classic originality of the old school, where a clever
> sample, a
> catchy beat and a good rhyme got you everywhere, and not just
> what hit single
> from a decade ago you can get the rights to, add a new beat, rap
> over it, and
> make millions of dollars from.
> IDM is one of the few bastions of hope I have left in a largely
> uncreative, cruel mainstream MTV world. It could be that my
> alarm in hearing
> more and more rap/hip-hop elements creeping into my IDM is the
> sign of the
> Mainstream finally making it to the shores of IDM it getting it's money
> grubbing hands on my music (shudder to think), and it in turn suffering a
> similiar commericial fate and losing it's potency, much like rap
> did. (The
> day I hear Ae or Funkstorung in a Mountain Dew commercial, I'll
> KNOW it's the
> end and just commit Seppuku.)
> Of course, any artist should always be free to explore
> whatever creative
> avenues they wish in their music. But really, If I wanted to hear an MC,
> then I'd go to down Tower Records and pick up whoever newest commercial
> sensation is this week off the Top 10 chart.
> Bottom line, I'm just not interested in hearing it over my
> squeeches and
> squelches.
> Again, it could just be my own bias talking, brought on by my
> groaning
> frustration with all things mainstream.
> Or maybe, like I said, MC rapping and glitchy squelchy IDM
> just don't mix
> well.
> I don't know....
>
>
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