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2000-05-24 14:19drift wood [idm] Mam..they're saying nasty things about us...
2000-05-24 14:27wells@submute.net Re: [idm] Mam..they're saying nasty things about us...
2000-05-24 14:53Scott McKeating Re: [idm] Mam..they're saying nasty things about us...
2000-05-24 15:14jre Re: [idm] Mam..they're saying nasty things about us...
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2000-05-24 17:09Matthew Allen RE: [idm] Mam..they're saying nasty things about us...
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2000-05-24 14:19drift woodThose nasty UK Dance people are saying horrid things about us again... (see below) Date: M
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Those nasty UK Dance people are saying horrid things about us again... (see below) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:55:42 +0100 (BST) From: A Bhattacharyya Subject: Fuck IDM Re this IDM debate... the basic problem with IDM (and I'm talking about the overall scene here as opposed to individual artists) is its fundamental conservatism. Despite all the cliches about "pushing the envelope", "breaking boundaries" etc it subscribes to a reactionary notion of what art is that is little more than a caricature retread of late 19th century and early 20th century modernism. Specific examples: the artist-as-creative-hero motif, the sneering cod-Nietzschean dismissal of the masses, the art-for-art's-sake aesthete stance that can only conceive of the dancefloor as a constraint, the disdain for "utilitarian" funktionality. The fact is that despite the many creative and intelligent people working in and around IDM, the scene is characterised by a bovine dismal refusal to think through these questions, an uncritical acceptance of bourgeois artistic values and a smug ignorance of the key developments and debates around 20th century music. Summarising: IDM just ain't intelligent *enough*. Having said that, there are a few artists classed as IDM that soar above the middle-brow middle-of-the-road mediocrity that characterises the scene-that-pretends-it-isn't. I'd say Aphex Twin falls into this category. As does Oval/Mille Plateaux. Should also stress that I don't have a problem with experimentalism-for-experimentalism's-sake, my problem is with conservatism-dressed-as-experimentalism. <<<<<< Is it ok to go out again yet? ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-24 14:27wells@submute.netI wouldn't worry too much. Anyone that uses phrases like "cod-Nietzschean" and "caricature
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I wouldn't worry too much. Anyone that uses phrases like "cod-Nietzschean" and "caricature retread of late 19th century and early 20th century modernism" is obviously an asshole. What a jerk. Original Message: ----------------- From: drift wood sequential_circus@yahoo.co.uk Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:19:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: [idm] Mam..they're saying nasty things about us... Those nasty UK Dance people are saying horrid things about us again... (see below) ------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been posted from Mail2Web http://www.mail2web.com/ Web Hosting for $9.95 per month! Visit: http://www.yourhosting.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-24 14:53Scott McKeatingi always called it "electronica", saves the hassle. Scott >From: drift wood <sequential_ci
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i always called it "electronica", saves the hassle. Scott
quoted 56 lines From: drift wood <sequential_circus@yahoo.co.uk>>From: drift wood <sequential_circus@yahoo.co.uk> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] Mam..they're saying nasty things about us... >Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:19:06 +0100 (BST) > >Those nasty UK Dance people are saying horrid things about us again... >(see below) > >Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:55:42 +0100 (BST) >From: A Bhattacharyya >Subject: Fuck IDM > >Re this IDM debate... the basic problem with IDM (and I'm talking >about the overall scene here as opposed to individual artists) is >its fundamental conservatism. Despite all the cliches about "pushing >the envelope", "breaking boundaries" etc it subscribes to a reactionary > >notion of what art is that is little more than a caricature retread >of late 19th century and early 20th century modernism. > >Specific examples: the artist-as-creative-hero motif, the sneering >cod-Nietzschean dismissal of the masses, the art-for-art's-sake >aesthete stance that can only conceive of the dancefloor as a >constraint, the disdain for "utilitarian" funktionality. > >The fact is that despite the many creative and intelligent people >working in and around IDM, the scene is characterised by a bovine >dismal refusal to think through these questions, an uncritical >acceptance of bourgeois artistic values and a smug ignorance of >the key developments and debates around 20th century music. > >Summarising: IDM just ain't intelligent *enough*. > >Having said that, there are a few artists classed as IDM that soar >above the middle-brow middle-of-the-road mediocrity that characterises >the scene-that-pretends-it-isn't. I'd say Aphex Twin falls into this >category. As does Oval/Mille Plateaux. Should also stress that I don't >have a problem with experimentalism-for-experimentalism's-sake, my >problem is with conservatism-dressed-as-experimentalism. > ><<<<<< > >Is it ok to go out again yet? > > > > >____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk >or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-05-24 15:14jreFuck them too. But they're right. Jr ----- Original Message ----- From: drift wood <sequen
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Fuck them too. But they're right. Jr ----- Original Message ----- From: drift wood <sequential_circus@yahoo.co.uk> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 4:19 PM Subject: [idm] Mam..they're saying nasty things about us...
quoted 51 lines Those nasty UK Dance people are saying horrid things about us again...> Those nasty UK Dance people are saying horrid things about us again... > (see below) > > Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:55:42 +0100 (BST) > From: A Bhattacharyya > Subject: Fuck IDM > > Re this IDM debate... the basic problem with IDM (and I'm talking > about the overall scene here as opposed to individual artists) is > its fundamental conservatism. Despite all the cliches about "pushing > the envelope", "breaking boundaries" etc it subscribes to a reactionary > > notion of what art is that is little more than a caricature retread > of late 19th century and early 20th century modernism. > > Specific examples: the artist-as-creative-hero motif, the sneering > cod-Nietzschean dismissal of the masses, the art-for-art's-sake > aesthete stance that can only conceive of the dancefloor as a > constraint, the disdain for "utilitarian" funktionality. > > The fact is that despite the many creative and intelligent people > working in and around IDM, the scene is characterised by a bovine > dismal refusal to think through these questions, an uncritical > acceptance of bourgeois artistic values and a smug ignorance of > the key developments and debates around 20th century music. > > Summarising: IDM just ain't intelligent *enough*. > > Having said that, there are a few artists classed as IDM that soar > above the middle-brow middle-of-the-road mediocrity that characterises > the scene-that-pretends-it-isn't. I'd say Aphex Twin falls into this > category. As does Oval/Mille Plateaux. Should also stress that I don't > have a problem with experimentalism-for-experimentalism's-sake, my > problem is with conservatism-dressed-as-experimentalism. > > <<<<<< > > Is it ok to go out again yet? > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-05-24 15:52Evan@mmlive.comgive me a break... i just want to listen to something different. something other than "be
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give me a break... i just want to listen to something different. something other than "be my lover." snivilizing, :: e v a n k. s t o n e :: r e c o m b i n a n t ------------------------------ :: mailto:evan@mmlive.com :: http://www.metro.net/estone :: http://www.mp3.com/recombinant (coming soon) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-24 17:09Matthew AllenI fucking LOVE wells being back. The tears of laughter. m. > -----Original Message----- >
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I fucking LOVE wells being back. The tears of laughter. m.
quoted 35 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: wells@submute.net [mailto:wells@submute.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 7:28 AM > To: sequential_circus@yahoo.co.uk; idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] Mam..they're saying nasty things about us... > > > I wouldn't worry too much. Anyone that uses phrases like > "cod-Nietzschean" and "caricature retread of late 19th > century and early 20th century modernism" is obviously an asshole. > > What a jerk. > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: drift wood sequential_circus@yahoo.co.uk > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:19:06 +0100 (BST) > Subject: [idm] Mam..they're saying nasty things about us... > > > Those nasty UK Dance people are saying horrid things about us again... > (see below) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > This message has been posted from Mail2Web http://www.mail2web.com/ > Web Hosting for $9.95 per month! Visit: http://www.yourhosting.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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