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1999-12-20 20:07Will Samuels Re: (idm) Squarepusher quality control
1999-12-20 20:38Joshua Brown Re: (idm) Squarepusher quality control
1999-12-20 20:48david turgeon (idm) squarepusher debate
1999-12-20 22:12wenger Re: (idm) squarepusher debate
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1999-12-20 20:07Will Samuels--- Joshua Brown <josh@undertone.com> wrote: > > I would stop worrying what other people t
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Will Samuels
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Joshua Brown ,
Date:
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:07:56 -0800 (PST)
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Re: (idm) Squarepusher quality control
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--- Joshua Brown <josh@undertone.com> wrote:
quoted 8 lines I would stop worrying what other people think. If> > I would stop worrying what other people think. If > they > > like it or dislike, what does it matter? > > I guess I feel sorry for them that they must be so > negative and critical > about the artistic output of such a genius. It's > just kind of shortsighted.
Man your hilarious :) You feel sorry that someone doesn't share your opinion about an artist? Is Squarepusher the ONLY "genius" out there? There are alot of geniuses out there. And "geniuses" don't always releases "genius material", sometimes they disappoint or make toss.
quoted 12 lines The only thing that is constipating are people's> > The only thing that is constipating are people's > hero > > worshiping to the point that you can't say > anything > > negative regarding any piece of work... without > someone crying that a > > post of that sort should be censored, or > supressed. > > I am not saying that people shouldn't express it, > just questioning the > artists sincerity and quality, integrity etc....
Sincerity and integrity is not the reason I buy records. I don't buy records because they are good to their mothers and feed homeless people. It's the music, and that all! I don't care if the person has written the most brilliant tunes in the world. If they are releasing stuff that I don't like, then I won't buy that particular release.
quoted 2 lines Why can't they just> Why can't they just > say that _they_ didn't like it?
First off I would like to hear why they do or don't like the release. Give a little background to support their statement, you know.
quoted 3 lines and allow for the possibility that> and allow for the possibility that > others might have and that maybe they just don't get > it and might someday.
First off, people should listen and judge for themselves and then comment. I don't think anyone claims to be all knowing. Do you complain to magazines when they don't give a favorable review. It's all subjective, some people will like it some won't.
quoted 9 lines Gee I remember when people could accept> > Gee I remember when people could accept > differences of > > opinion and discuss them intelligently without > taking > > offense. > > I was not offended, just fearful that such > negativity existed out there > among fans of truly revolutionary music.
IDM isn't that revolutionary anymore. Maybe to people that are new to it. I haven't heard a single idm release this year that has had a major impact. Sure there has been some really good material here and there, but nothing revolutionary. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-12-20 20:38Joshua Brownpoint taken, I am giving up now. I must have been wrong. I didn't like alot of squarepushe
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Joshua Brown
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Will Samuels
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Date:
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:38:28 -0800
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Re: (idm) Squarepusher quality control
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point taken, I am giving up now. I must have been wrong. I didn't like alot of squarepusher's latest output either. I just felt like there was really no reason to just criticize the music unless asked. I mean, the person who came out and was like "squarepusher's stuff sucks now!, he should try harder" seemed to be expecting the artist to be working to satisfy his fans. If you don't like it, don't buy it, but why give your opinion when not asked? maybe it's just me and how I am. Sorry for pushing my point of view on others. Will Samuels wrote:
quoted 75 lines --- Joshua Brown <josh@undertone.com> wrote:> --- Joshua Brown <josh@undertone.com> wrote: > > > I would stop worrying what other people think. If > > they > > > like it or dislike, what does it matter? > > > > I guess I feel sorry for them that they must be so > > negative and critical > > about the artistic output of such a genius. It's > > just kind of shortsighted. > > Man your hilarious :) > You feel sorry that someone doesn't share your opinion > about an artist? Is Squarepusher the ONLY "genius" out > there? There are alot of geniuses out there. And > "geniuses" don't always releases "genius material", > sometimes they disappoint or make toss. > > > > The only thing that is constipating are people's > > hero > > > worshiping to the point that you can't say > > anything > > > negative regarding any piece of work... without > > someone crying that a > > > post of that sort should be censored, or > > supressed. > > > > I am not saying that people shouldn't express it, > > just questioning the > > artists sincerity and quality, integrity etc.... > > Sincerity and integrity is not the reason I buy > records. I don't buy records because they are good to > their mothers and feed homeless people. It's the > music, and that all! I don't care if the person has > written the most brilliant tunes in the world. If they > are releasing stuff that I don't like, then I won't > buy that particular release. > > > Why can't they just > > say that _they_ didn't like it? > > First off I would like to hear why they do or don't > like the release. Give a little background to support > their statement, you know. > > > and allow for the possibility that > > others might have and that maybe they just don't get > > it and might someday. > > First off, people should listen and judge for > themselves and then comment. I don't think anyone > claims to be all knowing. Do you complain to magazines > when they don't give a favorable review. It's all > subjective, some people will like it some won't. > > > > Gee I remember when people could accept > > differences of > > > opinion and discuss them intelligently without > > taking > > > offense. > > > > I was not offended, just fearful that such > > negativity existed out there > > among fans of truly revolutionary music. > > IDM isn't that revolutionary anymore. Maybe to people > that are new to it. I haven't heard a single idm > release this year that has had a major impact. Sure > there has been some really good material here and > there, but nothing revolutionary. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com
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1999-12-20 20:48david turgeon> point taken, I am giving up now. I must have been wrong. I didn't like > alot of squarep
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david turgeon
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Joshua Brown
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Will Samuels ,
Date:
Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:48:56 -0500
Subject:
(idm) squarepusher debate
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quoted 8 lines point taken, I am giving up now. I must have been wrong. I didn't like> point taken, I am giving up now. I must have been wrong. I didn't like > alot of squarepusher's latest output either. I just felt like there was > really no reason to just criticize the music unless asked. I mean, the > person who came out and was like "squarepusher's stuff sucks now!, he > should try harder" seemed to be expecting the artist to be working to > satisfy his fans. If you don't like it, don't buy it, but why give your > opinion when not asked? maybe it's just me and how I am. Sorry for > pushing my point of view on others.
this debate would perhaps had had a point to start with if it wasn't the same every fucking 2 months. 'i don't like squarepusher anymore.' 'but he's a genius!!!!' WELL, I HADN'T SEEN IT _THAT_ WAY YET, THANKS. man, the next time i see a squarepusher debate, i'll go for the digest version. & the next time after that, i'll just post a list of random 90s-related words & make a childish bailing out comment. ~ david --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-12-20 22:12wengerwho needs squarepusher when there is JEGA? much much better..... ahhhhhh Wngr np: Phlax --
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Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:12:07 -0000
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Re: (idm) squarepusher debate
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who needs squarepusher when there is JEGA? much much better..... ahhhhhh Wngr np: Phlax --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org