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1999-12-19 21:47jeff shoemaker>Finally some sensible thoughts about Squarepusher. Those >trashing his recent work are an

From:: jeff shoemaker <cache@texas.net>
To:: Dave Segal <segal@altpress.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:47:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) Squarepusher quality control

quoted 7 lines Finally some sensible thoughts about Squarepusher. Those

>Finally some sensible thoughts about Squarepusher. Those >trashing his recent work are analogous to the same squares who >lamented Miles Davis' evolution in the late 60s to the >more spacious, psychedelic music he produced on _Bitches Brew_ and the >albums that followed it through 1975's _Pangaea_. To expect >Jenkinson to keep replicating _Feed Me Weird Things_ or >_Big Loada_ ad infinitum is ludicrous.

since when are hard-bop fans "squares"? :) unfortunately miles davis beat mr. jenkinson to the punch by about 30 years. i preferred jenkinson when he was doing stuff that sounded like nothing else in the world (okay, except for jaco pastorius in a blender). his newer material sounds a little too much like miles for my taste. and i believe that miles is the kind of artist that did it so well that any musical nods, especially ones as gratuitous as MIRON and after, are dangerously close to being simple copies. i understand that any artist as obsessed with music as jenkinson was bound to get bored with his early sound, but it's also safe to say that nothing after "big loada" would have made it onto ANY label if it weren't for the fact that it was the famous Squarepusher making it. and, for the record, i personally think that the above referenced time in Miles' career is easily the least interesting, which may have something to do with my feelings on the newer SP material. -------------- 1642 try 621 -------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

1999-12-20 05:28James R McPhersonPerhaps this thread should die (only to reoccur 2 months from now), but I think some take

From:: James R McPherson <andregurov@juno.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:28:16 -0600
Subject:: Re: (idm) Squarepusher quality control, Pt. II

Perhaps this thread should die (only to reoccur 2 months from now), but I think some take the Miles/Squarepusher analogy a bit far. Dave merely said the people who listen are analogous, not the artists. I don't find any real similarity between Miles' later music and Tom's current output. Miles was far more interested in texture (_Dark Magus_? _Bitches' Brew_?), whilst Tom's creations stand as songs. Yes, THIS difference between the two may simply be a delineation I've created in my mind, but as an issue the fundamental (and sundry) differences between the two still stand. Perhaps I need to pull out my copies of Miles again, but I attest that Tom is developing into an artist that can stand by himself without the overworked and undersupported comparisons. The Squarepusher/Thomas collab 12" on Lo merely whets my appetite for more ... the new Tom is a far more confident musician than the old drillnbasser. On a different note, I have trouble compiling a top list of full-length releases for the year. Was/is it that weak a year (lotsa great ep's, though)? J (sorry for maintaining an overlong thread) np: ack! rerun of ER "I am an acme of things accomplished, and I an encloser of things to be." Walt Whitman, _Leaves of Grass_ Join The Party @www.cpusa.org On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:47:29 -0600 (CST) cache@texas.net (jeff shoemaker) writes:

quoted 7 lines unfortunately miles davis beat mr. jenkinson to the punch by about 30

>unfortunately miles davis beat mr. jenkinson to the punch by about 30 >years. >i preferred jenkinson when he was doing stuff that sounded like >nothing else >in the world (okay, except for jaco pastorius in a blender). his >newer >material sounds a little too much like miles for my taste.

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Re: (idm) Squarepusher quality control, Pt. II