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(idm) Re: whitezone-l Re: (GABBER) Bad Trader Alert: PETER KVETKOSKY <CRISIS909@HOTMAIL.COM>

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1999-12-10 23:47Mxyzptlk (idm) Re: whitezone-l Re: (GABBER) Bad Trader Alert: PETER KVETKOSKY <CRISIS909@HOTMAIL.COM>
1999-12-11 18:30Jason J. Tar (idm) Re: whitezone-l Re: (GABBER) Bad Trader Alert: PETER KVETKOSKY <CRISIS909@HOTMAIL.COM>
└─ 1999-12-11 18:33laerm Re: (idm) Re: whitezone-l Re: (GABBER) Bad Trader Alert: PETER KVETKOSKY <CRISIS909@HOTMAIL.COM>
1999-12-11 22:53Jason J. Tar (idm) Re: whitezone-l Re: (GABBER) Bad Trader Alert: PETER KVETKOSKY <CRISIS909@HOTMAIL.COM>
1999-12-11 23:01Jason J. Tar (idm) Re: whitezone-l Re: (GABBER) Bad Trader Alert: PETER KVETKOSKY <CRISIS909@HOTMAIL.COM>
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1999-12-10 23:47MxyzptlkJust a note back on someone's behalf...I believe the person who posted this was Chris Mill
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Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:47:37 -0600
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(idm) Re: whitezone-l Re: (GABBER) Bad Trader Alert: PETER KVETKOSKY <CRISIS909@HOTMAIL.COM>
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Just a note back on someone's behalf...I believe the person who posted this was Chris Miller and I know that he's out of internet service for a few weeks. I'm not privy to all of the details, but I know I've dealt with Chris NUMEROUS times and he's no idiot and not even close to being a person who goes off half-cocked. He's got piles of references on IDM, Ambient, Mother (Atom Heart...he's the listmaster) and is known by many to be an upstanding guy. In other words, I seriously doubt he would post that kind of thing unless he's tried a few other avenues and was being dicked around by the person in question. Speaking of finding out what is what before you post, you might want to take a bit of your own advice. The least you could have done is contacted Chris privately before posting crap like this (a courtesy he afforded your buddy SEVERAL times before he went public). And it looks to me like you have a few more ccs in your posting than Chris did. If your friend is so upright and true, let him rectify the situation he's left undone instead of letting his compadres talk trash for him. jeff Skinner wrote:
quoted 4 lines On Thu, 9 Dec 1999, dj fishead wrote:> On Thu, 9 Dec 1999, dj fishead wrote: > > -> just wanted to post a note to say I have dealt with, > -> met and stayed at Pete's place...
-- jeff "10,000 people all screaming the same thing at the same time are wrong, even if they're right." dancing/about/architecture "...with wandering steps and slow..." ICQ904008 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-12-11 18:30Jason J. TarAt 01:12 PM 12/11/99 -0500, Skinner wrote: >Yes so if he was, does it still change the fac
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Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:30:17 -0500
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(idm) Re: whitezone-l Re: (GABBER) Bad Trader Alert: PETER KVETKOSKY <CRISIS909@HOTMAIL.COM>
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At 01:12 PM 12/11/99 -0500, Skinner wrote:
quoted 3 lines Yes so if he was, does it still change the fact that the>Yes so if he was, does it still change the fact that the >person who "dicked" him Is as bad as he says? No he is one >instance. Thus he send "slander".
No, Chris did not "Slander" your friend. He stated that he was dicked around by him, and warned others that they may not want to trade with that guy as a result. That is what I would call a "Public Service Announcement".
quoted 4 lines As for this person leave int>As for this person leave int >"undone", even if he has fucked up and didn't do what he has >said, this still dosen't change the fact that Chris posted >"slader" about this person saying to not traid with him.
Nonsense. Chris didn't say the guy fucked over others, he said the guy fucked over Chris. Which is true, thus not slander. (There is an "n" in it, btw. And you claimed Jeff couldn't read or count?!)
quoted 5 lines I don't care if crisis909 fucked up or not, if he did then>I don't care if crisis909 fucked up or not, if he did then >it should be dealt with, but the action should not be >sending info to everylist he can think off to tell people >that he is a bad trader and not to do transactions with >him. He has no proof that it was more then just his trade.
Does it need be more then one trade? Is it OK to fuck over one guy, as long as you are straight with others? No. One bad trade makes you a "Bad Trader". Simple as that.
quoted 5 lines As for me finding out more info? I don;t need any more. What>As for me finding out more info? I don;t need any more. What >info do I need from chris? He is a god guy great. He didn't >get his trade ok.. Still dosen't change the fact that he >sent a note to the list saying that this kid is not ligit >when he dosen't know about all the trades he has done.
Again, a bunch of crap. Chris got dicked over and was attempting to save others the frustration and annoyance. Definately not "slander". It seems as though Chris gave the guy plenty of chances to clear things up prior to his announcement. Your friend fucked up a trade, and now is paying the consequences. If he wants to clear his name, he'll simply send Chris what he promised. (As well as, might I suggest, a note of apology.) Not that hard of a thing to do. Jason J. Tar --- Peace Hugs and Unity Jason J. Tar W. W. J. D? (What would Jason Do?) http://www.msu.edu/user/tarjason ICQ@13792120 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-12-11 18:33laermi always knew those gabber fans were kinda shady. * #### a disturbance in a system. #### l
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Re: (idm) Re: whitezone-l Re: (GABBER) Bad Trader Alert: PETER KVETKOSKY <CRISIS909@HOTMAIL.COM>
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i always knew those gabber fans were kinda shady. * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# so if you're feeling low/stuck in some bardo/i, even i/know the solution love, music, wine and revolution icq:5562209 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-12-11 22:53Jason J. TarAt 05:05 PM 12/11/99 -0500, Sexual Harassment Panda wrote: >One, he publicly admitted to >
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Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:53:31 -0500
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(idm) Re: whitezone-l Re: (GABBER) Bad Trader Alert: PETER KVETKOSKY <CRISIS909@HOTMAIL.COM>
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At 05:05 PM 12/11/99 -0500, Sexual Harassment Panda wrote:
quoted 3 lines One, he publicly admitted to>One, he publicly admitted to >soliciting Crisis909 to comit a crime by violating a >copyright through making copies of CDs.
One: you are assuming that Crisis was contacted by Chris, when it could have been the other way around.
quoted 4 lines Two, we have been>Two, we have been >offered no evidence as to what actually occurred between the >two people and where accusations are made without clear >facts, slander can be applied.
Two: Chris put forth a very precise timeline for events and backed his statements up with facts. That is clearly evidence.
quoted 3 lines Three, if Crisis909 simply>Three, if Crisis909 simply >chose not to make the copies of the CD, maybe it is because >he realized that copyright enfringement is illegal?
But he decides this only after agreeing to the trade?? Secondly, mail fraud is also a crime. Which means that Crisis got a conscious, and then broke another law. If this was really his excuse, he would have contacted Chris and returned the original CD. Regardless, it still leaves Mr. 909 with the unanswered label of "bad trader". Point is, one might wish to think twice before trading with him. Me. --- Peace Hugs and Unity Jason J. Tar W. W. J. D? (What would Jason Do?) http://www.msu.edu/user/tarjason ICQ@13792120 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-12-11 23:01Jason J. TarAt 01:47 PM 12/11/99 -0500, Skinner wrote: >No one bad trade means you fucked over one per
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Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:01:34 -0500
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(idm) Re: whitezone-l Re: (GABBER) Bad Trader Alert: PETER KVETKOSKY <CRISIS909@HOTMAIL.COM>
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At 01:47 PM 12/11/99 -0500, Skinner wrote:
quoted 2 lines No one bad trade means you fucked over one person. This dose>No one bad trade means you fucked over one person. This dose >not mean you are a "bad trader".
So how many people are you allowed to screw over before others should be wary of trading with you? If not one, then 10? 20? Silly argument. If Peter doesn't want the bad press, he should simply remedy the situation. But to turn the argument around and go against Chris is weak.
quoted 4 lines Once again He is not my "friend" I neither by loayalty side>Once again He is not my "friend" I neither by loayalty side >with either of these people. I just find it unjust to tell >make everysingle person on the netlists belive this >person(crisis909) is a bad trader over one Trade
But after he cheats out 10 people it is ok? Hmmm... Why don't you volunteer to be the second person he cheats then?
quoted 4 lines Its like saying you had one bad date with a person and now>Its like saying you had one bad date with a person and now >that personwill make sure and tell everyone to stay away >from this person. Is it just or unjust to levy that much >strength in the judgement?
Odd analogy for the situation. How about this one: "Frank" kills "Jim" randomly on the street. Should we then not label "Frank" a killer until a few more have been slain? See, silly analogies really don't make a difference.
quoted 3 lines Does this make it right for Chris? No it doesent he>Does this make it right for Chris? No it doesent he >should get back what he deserves, but the course of action >should of been differnt
Well perhaps you should have stated that in your original post, instead of just simply defending Peter for his obviously poor trading. Me. --- Peace Hugs and Unity Jason J. Tar W. W. J. D? (What would Jason Do?) http://www.msu.edu/user/tarjason ICQ@13792120 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org