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2000-05-14 21:06Stephen D. Olson [idm] (straight) white (male) guilt?
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2000-05-14 21:06Stephen D. Olsonthere seems to be a lot of this going around these days. white (liberally) educated males
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there seems to be a lot of this going around these days. white (liberally) educated males complaining about being surrounded by other white educated males. my roomates is like this...after too many years of fucking semiotics at Brown he now wants to "get active". (ie: write about activism) so he writes articles about how everyone needs to be more political, and he plays in a band that covers "born in the u.s.a.", but what does he do? nothing. it's sorta funny to point fingers in this fashion. you listening to really fucking esoteric (and fucking white, believe it or not) music and complain that everyone else listening to it meets the same criteria...this attitude is really no different than being an asianphile, or any other fetishing of the "other", that mysterious exotic "flavor" that will give you some fufillment of what you don't have, which is a lack (sorta like a racial castration complex) of somethng "real", blacks, homosexuals and women being more "real" in the eyes of straight white males for some reason... "lemme see yr credentials" (do you reside in burlington, berkeley, san fransisco, austin, boulder? check! own any writings by foucault, barthes, benjamin, or any other french men? check!) yeh, i have heard girls refer to musicians as hot, get over it. they're not so different from men in certain respects, weird huh? i wrote this quickly, it might not be structured so hotly, but who fucking cares, yeh, i'm straight (i think) white and male. but i have enough self worth to not feel guilty about it, and not feel nervous that i'm not on a mailing list with more "others" plur (hahahahahhahaha) steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-15 03:42Josh Davisonsay it strong and say it loud i'm a boojy white male with enough disposable income to spen
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say it strong and say it loud i'm a boojy white male with enough disposable income to spend a significant portion of it on records and i'm proud -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi On Sun, 14 May 2000, Stephen D. Olson wrote:
quoted 43 lines there seems to be a lot of this going around these days. white> there seems to be a lot of this going around these days. white > (liberally) educated males complaining about being surrounded by other > white educated males. > > my roomates is like this...after too many years of fucking semiotics at > Brown he now wants to "get active". (ie: write about activism) so he > writes articles about how everyone needs to be more political, and he > plays in a band that covers "born in the u.s.a.", but what does he do? > nothing. it's sorta funny to point fingers in this fashion. you > listening to really fucking esoteric (and fucking white, believe it or > not) music and complain that everyone else listening to it meets the > same criteria...this attitude is really no different than being an > asianphile, or any other fetishing of the "other", that mysterious > exotic "flavor" that will give you some fufillment of what you don't > have, which is a lack (sorta like a racial castration complex) of > somethng "real", blacks, homosexuals and women being more "real" in the > eyes of straight white males for some reason... > > "lemme see yr credentials" (do you reside in burlington, berkeley, san > fransisco, austin, boulder? check! own any writings by foucault, > barthes, benjamin, or any other french men? check!) > > yeh, i have heard girls refer to musicians as hot, get over it. they're > not so different from men in certain respects, weird huh? > > > i wrote this quickly, it might not be structured so hotly, but who > fucking cares, yeh, i'm straight (i think) white and male. but i have > enough self worth to not feel guilty about it, and not feel nervous that > i'm not on a mailing list with more "others" > > plur (hahahahahhahaha) > steve > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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