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1999-11-23 03:59(idm) krafty
1999-11-23 16:22Dave Segal Re: (idm) krafty
1999-11-24 00:09MIDIBear (idm) krafty
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1999-11-24 14:44Dave Segal Re: (idm) krafty
1999-11-24 16:04Dave Segal Re: (idm) krafty
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1999-11-24 16:32Kent williams Re: (idm) krafty
1999-11-24 17:34david turgeon Re: (idm) krafty
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└─ 1999-11-24 18:17eric hill RE: (idm) krafty
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1999-11-24 18:12Johan LOONES Re: (idm) krafty
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1999-11-23 03:59Mannowarr@aol.comkraftwerk. always intriguing but ive never been sure which cd to purchase. could anyone be
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kraftwerk. always intriguing but ive never been sure which cd to purchase. could anyone be of help? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-23 16:22Dave SegalKraftwerk recommendations: Organisation- Tone Float Kraftwerk Kraftwerk 2 Ralf And Florian
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Kraftwerk recommendations: Organisation- Tone Float Kraftwerk Kraftwerk 2 Ralf And Florian Autobahn Radioactivity Computer World Tour De France EP --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-24 00:09MIDIBearIf you like 70's europop with a little German folk influence and recorder (the acoustic in
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If you like 70's europop with a little German folk influence and recorder (the acoustic instrument {gasp}), get Autobahn. If you like more experimental synth sounds blended with krautpop and a pinch of folk, get Radioactivity. If you like a haunting, moody and trance-inducing sound (not trance style), get Trans-Europe Express If you like Analog Sci-Fi sounds, get Man Machine. If you like upbeat, clubby sounds with originality and pizazz, get Computerworld. (**my pick for KW first listen**) If you want to hear Ralf and Florian breathing hard, get Tour De France. If you like samples and 80's post-modernism, get Electric Cafe. If you like dance mixes and want an overall smattering of their work, get The Mix. If you want to hear Kraftwerk blending into rave culture and not being so original, get their new record (released 12/99?) And lastly, if you want to round out your collection, or would like to hear a 'pre-synthesizer dominated, kind of prototype' get Kraftwerk 1 or Kraftwerk 2. Wouldn't recommend these two for first listen, though. Hope that helped, but it probably confused. MIDIBear Vitreous Flux - original electronica music http://zap.to/vitreousflux http://www.mp3.com/vitreousflux --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-25 04:52Lazlo NibbleOn Tue, Nov 23, 1999 at 07:09:47PM -0500, MIDIBear wrote: > And lastly, if you want to rou
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On Tue, Nov 23, 1999 at 07:09:47PM -0500, MIDIBear wrote:
quoted 3 lines And lastly, if you want to round out your collection, or would like to hear> And lastly, if you want to round out your collection, or would like to hear > a 'pre-synthesizer dominated, kind of prototype' get Kraftwerk 1 or > Kraftwerk 2. Wouldn't recommend these two for first listen, though.
Lotsa of people here probably have already heard a taster. The old theme to the PBS show "Newton's Apple" was pre-R&F Kraftwerk -- "Ruckzuck", from KW1, I think. -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-24 07:13Cesium5Hz@aol.comAnd also, don't forget, if you want the origins of modern techno and electonics, get Ralph
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And also, don't forget, if you want the origins of modern techno and electonics, get Ralph and Florian (1973) Kraftwerk LP No.1! AZ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-24 14:44Dave SegalCesium5Hz@aol.com wrote: >And also, don't forget, if you want the origins of modern techno
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quoted 2 lines And also, don't forget, if you want the origins of modern techno and>And also, don't forget, if you want the origins of modern techno and >electonics, get Ralph and Florian (1973) Kraftwerk LP No.1!
Kraftwerk actually released 3 albums before Ralf And Florian: _Tone Float_ (as Organisation), _Kraftwerk_ and _Kraftwerk 2_. These also happen to be their most interesting albums, though Ralf and Florian seemingly would like the world to forget they ever existed. Dave Segal Managing Editor/Alternative Press Reviews/BPM/Reissue Redux/Origins Of Cool Secret Ions on WCSB Thursdays 9-11PM EST www.wcsb.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-24 16:04Dave SegalKent williams <kent@avalon.net> wrote: >On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Dave Segal wrote: > >> Cesium
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quoted 22 lines On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Dave Segal wrote:>On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Dave Segal wrote: > >> Cesium5Hz@aol.com wrote: >> >> >And also, don't forget, if you want the origins of modern techno and >> >electonics, get Ralph and Florian (1973) Kraftwerk LP No.1! >> >> Kraftwerk actually released 3 albums before Ralf And Florian: >> _Tone Float_ (as Organisation), _Kraftwerk_ and _Kraftwerk 2_. >> These also happen to be their most interesting albums, >> though Ralf and Florian seemingly would like the world to forget >> they ever existed. >> > >I don't know about 'most interesting' -- maybe 'most interesting to >people who like Can and Faust.' They are a lot more diffuse and >improvisatory than the later Kraftwerk stuff. > >I personally am much more fascinated by the post-autobahn stuff. >They pulled off an art-prank more audacious than the KLF, >implementing an agenda that owes a lot to the Futurists, and >selling it to the world as Pop Music.
Granted, and, really, every Kraftwerk album should be heard and heard often (except for _Electric Cafe_). We're talking apples and oranges, and very tasty ones at that. As someone who's heard the entire catalog, I say with the utmost sincerity that the first 3 albums contain some of the most strikingly creative music *of any genre* that I've ever heard. These are not the records that ignited the techno revolution, but they nevertheless should be heard by anyone interested in the possibilities of inventive, unconventional sound. (In that sense, these albums should be of invaluable worth to IDM listees.) Dave Segal Managing Editor/Alternative Press Reviews/BPM/Reissue Redux/Origins Of Cool Secret Ions on WCSB Thursdays 9-11PM EST www.wcsb.org np: taylor deupree + richard chartier- spec [12k] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-24 16:16Cesium5Hz@aol.comI was always under the impression that Ralph &Florian was the first album (based on the as
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I was always under the impression that Ralph &Florian was the first album (based on the assumption that I never saw any others listed b4 this album. Now I will have to endeavor to obtain the first 2. I still reckon that Ralph & Florian contain some essential elements that have shaped the world of electronics - given the period and the vision... A Z --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-24 16:32Kent williamsOn Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Dave Segal wrote: > Cesium5Hz@aol.com wrote: > > >And also, don't for
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quoted 11 lines Cesium5Hz@aol.com wrote:> Cesium5Hz@aol.com wrote: > > >And also, don't forget, if you want the origins of modern techno and > >electonics, get Ralph and Florian (1973) Kraftwerk LP No.1! > > Kraftwerk actually released 3 albums before Ralf And Florian: > _Tone Float_ (as Organisation), _Kraftwerk_ and _Kraftwerk 2_. > These also happen to be their most interesting albums, > though Ralf and Florian seemingly would like the world to forget > they ever existed. >
I don't know about 'most interesting' -- maybe 'most interesting to people who like Can and Faust.' They are a lot more diffuse and improvisatory than the later Kraftwerk stuff. I personally am much more fascinated by the post-autobahn stuff. They pulled off an art-prank more audacious than the KLF, implementing an agenda that owes a lot to the Futurists, and selling it to the world as Pop Music. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-24 17:34david turgeon> As someone who's heard the > entire catalog, I say with the utmost sincerity that the fi
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quoted 8 lines As someone who's heard the> As someone who's heard the > entire catalog, I say with the utmost sincerity that the first > 3 albums contain some of the most strikingly creative music *of > any genre* that I've ever heard. These are not the records that > ignited the techno revolution, but they nevertheless should be heard by > anyone > interested in the possibilities of inventive, unconventional sound. > (In that sense, these albums should be of invaluable worth to IDM listees.)
i've just taken a stroll through cdnow to see if kraftwerk 1/2 were easy to find & they didn't have any of them. do you know if these are completely deleted or is it still possible to find them anywhere? i heard from a friend also that they're great records. considering the only things i know from kraftwerk are the horrible 'mix' cd & the cover of 'the model' by big black, it's probably time i get to know them better, though i'm mostly interested in the period you describe here. ~ david --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-24 17:56John Bush> i've just taken a stroll through cdnow to see if > kraftwerk 1/2 were easy to find & the
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quoted 4 lines i've just taken a stroll through cdnow to see if> i've just taken a stroll through cdnow to see if > kraftwerk 1/2 were easy to find & they didn't have > any of them. do you know if these are completely > deleted or is it still possible to find them anywhere?
From what I understand, they've never been *legally* available on compact disc. Still, I often see the bootlegs (usually done very well) in quality record stores and mail-order places (look for the traffic cones on the covers). After having CD-R copies of them for awhile, I got a really nice two-disc set earlier this year from Reckless in Chicago that includes Kraftwerk 1, Kraftwerk 2, Ralf & Florian, and some bonus live material. I thought $50 was a pretty good price, considering I usually see 1 & 2 going for $15-$20 each... Can't remember what it's called though -- I'll look at home and get back next week. But yeah, quality-wise, all three albums are very nice... .John. WishIWasPlaying: "Ruckzuck" - Kraftwerk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-24 18:17eric hill>> i've just taken a stroll through cdnow to see if >> kraftwerk 1/2 were easy to find & t
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quoted 4 lines i've just taken a stroll through cdnow to see if>> i've just taken a stroll through cdnow to see if >> kraftwerk 1/2 were easy to find & they didn't have >> any of them. do you know if these are completely >> deleted or is it still possible to find them anywhere?
WWW-to-idmlist gateway in effect... http://sun1.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/recordings.html#early also, their expo2000 jingle can be downloaded from http://www.tom-stromberg.de/ eric --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-24 18:01Cesium5Hz@aol.comWhat about Kratwerk 1/ 2 on vinyl. Are there still any copies that may be around - even s/
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What about Kratwerk 1/ 2 on vinyl. Are there still any copies that may be around - even s/h? - were they legal at all on vinyl? A Z --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-24 18:13John Bush> Are there still any copies that > may be around - even s/h? - > were they legal at all o
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quoted 3 lines Are there still any copies that> Are there still any copies that > may be around - even s/h? - > were they legal at all on vinyl?
Probably incredibly rare but yes, they were legal on vinyl -- recorded for Philips in 1971 and 1972... .John. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-24 18:12Johan LOONESYeah sure but you'll have to pay hard cash for those... In Europe they are going around 50
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Yeah sure but you'll have to pay hard cash for those... In Europe they are going around 50$ for very bad copies... However: they have been compiled on a double album on Philips packaged in a gatefold sleeve... It's the same stuff and much easier and cheaper to find Johan -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Cesium5Hz@aol.com <Cesium5Hz@aol.com> Aan: idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org> Datum: woensdag 24 november 1999 19:02 Onderwerp: Re: (idm) krafty
quoted 10 lines What about Kratwerk 1/ 2 on vinyl. Are there still any copies that may be>What about Kratwerk 1/ 2 on vinyl. Are there still any copies that may be >around - even s/h? - were they legal at all on vinyl? > >A Z > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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