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1999-11-15 14:56Kent williams (idm) irrelevance of boards of canada bear list
└─ 1999-11-15 14:59laerm Re: (idm) irrelevance of boards of canada bear list
└─ 1999-11-15 16:59Kent williams Re: (idm) irrelevance of boards of canada bear list
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└─ 1999-11-15 17:45Kent williams Re: (idm) irrelevance of boards of canada bear list
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1999-11-15 18:07Giles Ward Re: (idm) irrelevance of boards of canada bear list
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1999-11-15 23:43Intermodal Re: (idm) irrelevance of boards of canada bear list
1999-11-16 09:31Simon Walley Re: (idm) irrelevance of boards of canada bear list
└─ 1999-11-16 12:30Dave Walker Re: (idm) irrelevance of boards of canada bear list
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1999-11-15 14:56Kent williamsIf there was a group for which the gear list was LESS relevant than Boards of Canada, I ca
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If there was a group for which the gear list was LESS relevant than Boards of Canada, I can't think of it. All of their sounds can be made from a sampler, and any of a number of analogue keyboards. The thing that stands out about their tracks is their musicality, and they could make great tracks with a cheap drum machine and a casio keyboard. kent williams -- kent@avalon.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-15 14:59laermOn Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Kent williams wrote: > If there was a group for which the gear list w
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Kent williams wrote:
quoted 2 lines If there was a group for which the gear list was LESS relevant than> If there was a group for which the gear list was LESS relevant than > Boards of Canada, I can't think of it.
backstreet boys? * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# icq: 5562209 never been closer to heaven/never been further away --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-15 16:59Kent williamsOn Mon, 15 Nov 1999, laerm wrote: > On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Kent williams wrote: > > > If the
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, laerm wrote:
quoted 7 lines On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Kent williams wrote:> On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Kent williams wrote: > > > If there was a group for which the gear list was LESS relevant than > > Boards of Canada, I can't think of it. > > backstreet boys? >
BS Boys are strictly from commersh; they use multimillion dollar studios where one vintage tube microphone costs more than all of most IDM artists have in their studios. The equipment used is irrelevant for a completely different reason than the reasons BoC gear is irrelevant. BS Boys gear irrelevancy comes from the fact that they use the best in the service of steadfastly mediocre material. BoC gear irrelevancy comes from the fact that their material is wonderful, and could survive being produced on an Casio SK1, a Yak Bak, and a cheap 4 track. And if you know anything about their history, at one point that probably WAS what they were using to make tracks. And yes I know you were making a funnee. And yes I am a production geek, so I can listen to and appreciate stuff like Backstreet Boys because of the production values. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-15 17:10wellsOn Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Kent williams wrote: > And yes I am a production geek, so I can liste
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Kent williams wrote:
quoted 3 lines And yes I am a production geek, so I can listen to and appreciate> And yes I am a production geek, so I can listen to and appreciate > stuff like Backstreet Boys because of the production values. >
I am so sorry for you. - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu " The ball is round. The game lasts ninety minutes. This much is fact. Everything else is just theory. " --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-15 17:45Kent williamsOn Mon, 15 Nov 1999, wells wrote: > On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Kent williams wrote: > > > And ye
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On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, wells wrote:
quoted 8 lines On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Kent williams wrote:> On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Kent williams wrote: > > > And yes I am a production geek, so I can listen to and appreciate > > stuff like Backstreet Boys because of the production values. > > > > I am so sorry for you. >
Well, I'm sorry for you too, wells. Some day you'll wake up and realize that there's more to life than being an ironic hipster. As regards the subject line -- we were talking about Gear not Bears. Do BoC have Bears? Are they dancing bears? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-15 17:54wellsAt 11:45 AM 11/15/99 -0600, Kent williams wrote: > >Well, I'm sorry for you too, wells. So
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At 11:45 AM 11/15/99 -0600, Kent williams wrote:
quoted 4 lines Well, I'm sorry for you too, wells. Some day you'll wake up> >Well, I'm sorry for you too, wells. Some day you'll wake up >and realize that there's more to life than being an ironic hipster. >
There's really nothing ironic or hip about feeling the deepest of pity for anyone who can appreciate the Backstreet Boys for any reason whatsoever. That sort of pity ought to be instinctive. - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu " The ball is round. The game lasts ninety 90 minutes. This much is fact. Everything else is just theory." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-15 18:07Giles Ward> There's really nothing ironic or hip about feeling the deepest of pity for > anyone who
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quoted 4 lines There's really nothing ironic or hip about feeling the deepest of pity for> There's really nothing ironic or hip about feeling the deepest of pity for > anyone who can appreciate the Backstreet Boys for any reason whatsoever. > > That sort of pity ought to be instinctive.
He said he can listen to the production, not the music or their dance routines or whatever. Come to think of it, 90% of what you get with typical IDM fodder is 'production'... clever tricks.. ear candy... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-15 19:28Steve81778@aol.comyeh, i listen to most of my music because i like the way it was recorded, vintage tubes an
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yeh, i listen to most of my music because i like the way it was recorded, vintage tubes and all that shit gimme a break, wells is right luv steve In a message dated Mon, 15 Nov 1999 1:09:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Giles Ward" <gilesw@globalnet.co.uk> writes:
quoted 13 lines There's really nothing ironic or hip about feeling the deepest of pity for> > There's really nothing ironic or hip about feeling the deepest of pity for > > anyone who can appreciate the Backstreet Boys for any reason whatsoever. > > > > That sort of pity ought to be instinctive. > > He said he can listen to the production, not the music or their dance > routines or whatever. Come to think of it, 90% of what you get with typical > IDM fodder is 'production'... clever tricks.. ear candy... > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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1999-11-15 23:43IntermodalI will defend the guy who is getting slaged for appreciating any of the corporate pop that
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I will defend the guy who is getting slaged for appreciating any of the corporate pop that is going around these days. I dont like the music, but I can appreciate the skill it took those engineers to get that sound. Just like I might not like alot of classical guitar playing, but I respect and appreciate it because I know how much effort it takes. I also appreciate the guys who engineer those classical records, because it takes a hell of a lot more talent and knowledge to get a good live mic'ed guitar sound than it does to randomly fuck up a text file converted to wav. in hyperprism and call it art music. I bet if the people who talk shit about real audio engineers were to go into the studio with professionals, they would be made to realize how ignorant they really are. You dont get gigs like that unless you have hella credentials. It takes a lot of talent to get into a position to make records like those. I might not like the music itself, but I know enough about engineering to be able to respect what the guys behind those records did. I know it isnt immediately obvious. Once you get into recording music, you will understand how hard it really is to make a commercial pop record. take care mt wells wrote:
quoted 19 lines At 11:45 AM 11/15/99 -0600, Kent williams wrote:> > At 11:45 AM 11/15/99 -0600, Kent williams wrote: > > > >Well, I'm sorry for you too, wells. Some day you'll wake up > >and realize that there's more to life than being an ironic hipster. > > > > There's really nothing ironic or hip about feeling the deepest of pity for > anyone who can appreciate the Backstreet Boys for any reason whatsoever. > > That sort of pity ought to be instinctive. > > - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu > " The ball is round. The game lasts ninety 90 minutes. > This much is fact. Everything else is just theory." > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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1999-11-16 09:31Simon Walley>From: "Giles Ward" <gilesw@globalnet.co.uk> >Subject: Re: (idm) irrelevance of boards of
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quoted 5 lines From: "Giles Ward" <gilesw@globalnet.co.uk>>From: "Giles Ward" <gilesw@globalnet.co.uk> >Subject: Re: (idm) irrelevance of boards of canada bear list > >Come to think of it, 90% of what you get with typical >IDM fodder is 'production'... clever tricks.. ear candy...
Yeah I was thinking about this the other day. I'm sure I can remember a thread years ago (about techno) where folks were talking about it's whats left out of a track that often makes it what it is. Its the spaces between the beats that give some techno tracks their 'funk' for example. And what Giles says above is pretty true IMO - it seems to be how much (the clever tricks) you can cram into a track rather than rather playing with the space around the sounds. Maybe thats down to the ease nowadays with which kids can use and employ different plug-ins and muck around with them - previously it kind of depended on how many separate bits of kit an artist had. If I had a point, I've forgotten it. || [CiM] || cim_@flashmail.com || - ______________________________________________________ Get Your FREE FlashMail Address now at http://www.flashmail.com It's Free, Easy, & Fun !!! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-16 12:30Dave WalkerOn Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Simon Walley wrote: > And what Giles says above is pretty true IMO -
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On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Simon Walley wrote:
quoted 7 lines And what Giles says above is pretty true IMO - it seems to be how much> And what Giles says above is pretty true IMO - it seems to be how much > (the clever tricks) you can cram into a track rather than rather > playing with the space around the sounds. > > Maybe thats down to the ease nowadays with which kids can use and > employ different plug-ins and muck around with them - previously it > kind of depended on how many separate bits of kit an artist had.
I have a question and I'm not sure if it's a technical (gear) one or a musical one. I've noticed something about quite a few (IDM) releases I've picked up recently, something that makes me sad. Why doesn't anyone write basslines anymore? Is it the software people are using? I hear all manner of high-end trickery, tweaked, endlessly manipulated sounds, mangled breaks, and nothing at all of any substance happening below the midrange. The frequencies that move people's guts , the very frequencies that suggest sex, are missing. What's up with that? Is it because the PC speakers people are composing for don't have any low frequency response? Here's a cute trick you can try at home. Play Warp 10+2 and 10+3 back to back. Sweet Exorcist's "Clonk's Coming" or all that trebly filter nonsense on 10+3 CD2? I know which way I'd vote... -d.w. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-16 18:18TheevilD@aol.comDamn. You mean that all of these years that I've been listening to the music for the beaut
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Damn. You mean that all of these years that I've been listening to the music for the beauty, passion and excitement, I should have been thinking 'Nice edit. Must have taken the guy hours to get right.' My mistake. (slight overkill on sarcasm. tough. i feel stongly on this one) In a message dated 11/15/99 11:41:01 PM GMT Standard Time, Chrome3@ix.netcom.com writes: << I will defend the guy who is getting slaged for appreciating any of the corporate pop that is going around these days. I dont like the music, but I can appreciate the skill it took those engineers to get that sound. Just like I might not like alot of classical guitar playing, but I respect and appreciate it because I know how much effort it takes. I also appreciate the guys who engineer those classical records, because it takes a hell of a lot more talent and knowledge to get a good live mic'ed guitar sound than it does to randomly fuck up a text file converted to wav. in hyperprism and call it art music. I bet if the people who talk shit about real audio engineers were to go into the studio with professionals, they would be made to realize how ignorant they really are. You dont get gigs like that unless you have hella credentials. It takes a lot of talent to get into a position to make records like those. I might not like the music itself, but I know enough about engineering to be able to respect what the guys behind those records did. I know it isnt immediately obvious. Once you get into recording music, you will understand how hard it really is to make a commercial pop record. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-16 18:36Kent williamsOn Tue, 16 Nov 1999 TheevilD@aol.com wrote: > > Damn. You mean that all of these years tha
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On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 TheevilD@aol.com wrote:
quoted 7 lines Damn. You mean that all of these years that I've been> > Damn. You mean that all of these years that I've been > listening to the music for the beauty, passion and excitement, > I should have been thinking 'Nice edit. Must have taken the guy > hours to get right.' My mistake. > > (slight overkill on sarcasm. tough. i feel stongly on this one)
Keep in mind that I said that I was a production geek, and listen to commersh stuff to learn what they do, not that everyone should do that. Life is too short to listen to music you hate. So that's not what I was saying, if anyone cares. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org