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1999-11-02 18:37Re: (idm) Re: What's Rocking MY Boat
└─ 1999-11-03 12:41little miss trinitron RE: (idm) Re: What's Rocking MY Boat
1999-11-03 13:20Andrew Duke (idm) re:Kraftwerk/Newcleus/etc
1999-11-03 15:25Kelley Hackett RE: (idm) re:Kraftwerk/Newcleus/etc
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1999-11-02 18:37AeOtaku@aol.com> Totally agree with this, the process stuff is way out there; the myth > surrounding who
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quoted 2 lines Totally agree with this, the process stuff is way out there; the myth> Totally agree with this, the process stuff is way out there; the myth > surrounding who these guys actually are is even more fascinating ...
I was checking out Smallfish, and they were talking about them a little bit. Now that I think of it though, the identities were on the Drexciya anonymity style tip. Speaking of which, I'm intensely excited about the new Drexciya LP. Still on the aquatic themes, no doubt. The most interesting thing about the Process stuff is it seems they're working with sounds the rest of the electronic folks just don't have access to. Even the Truck 12" from '97 has odd distorted things without an easy reference point. BTW, I infer from said site there is a Process CD. Anybody have this, or is just one planned to appear soon?
quoted 2 lines "Future Space" Is this an Americanism? Is that a good or bad thing to say?> "Future Space" Is this an Americanism? Is that a good or bad thing to say? > The Phase 6 "sunshine" is one of my CDs of the year easily.
I think every term for this music is a bad Americanism. Good thing. He's way ahead of the space-time curve, was my [muddled] comment. A fine mix of UK techno influence and Detroit techno influence with a little Scottish soul.
quoted 1 line His earlier stuff still kicks a lot more for me.> His earlier stuff still kicks a lot more for me.
I thought "Blue Atmosphere", in particular, on the new LP was really strong. The piano interlude was interesting. I guess what I meant to say what that it was positive for him to be brancing out in new directions while staying high quality and not forsaking his earlier strong work (ala Squarepusher).
quoted 1 line I thought Windowlicker was pretty good.> I thought Windowlicker was pretty good.
I agree with you, but that's about the only good record he's done in the past three years. RDJ seems well into Fat Elvis stage. However, I was pretty surprised at how bad the Plaid stuff was and "Babylon" was. Wasn't Black Dog just about the best techno outfit of the 90's? What the hell happened? Squarepusher takes the cake right now, the last LP, the last two EP's, the Richard Thomas collaboration, all were just trash. The Real Audio from the new one was not promising, but I think I have to listen to the record the whole way through.
quoted 2 lines I have always maintained that Autechre are probably the most over-hyped> I have always maintained that Autechre are probably the most over-hyped > electronic artists.
I don't know about that, they certainly get a disproportionate amount of interest. "EP7" and the "splitrmx12" held little of real interest for me. Every release they've ever done is inconsistent: either fantastic tracks or easily forgettable ones. I think that means they're open to experimenting. I would say the most over-hyped electronic artist is Kraftwerk, but I won't because of the backlash it would generate. Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-03 12:41little miss trinitron> I would say the most over-hyped electronic artist is Kraftwerk, > but I won't because of
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quoted 2 lines I would say the most over-hyped electronic artist is Kraftwerk,> I would say the most over-hyped electronic artist is Kraftwerk, > but I won't because of the backlash it would generate.
i think that is a little harsh. you've got to think of what the music world was like in those days, how much work and inspiration it actually took for kraftwerk to break through and create what they did. for that alone they will quite literally always be remembered. and if you take their body of work simply on its own merit, they are still awesome 20 years later. they made something very, very difficult sound very easy. autechre etc. have taken something very easy and made it seem difficult. anyway, what's rocking my boat? alfie, dissevelt/baltan, future sound records, knights of the turntables, pedro, blacklodge! <waves> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-03 13:20Andrew Duke[please note: i didn't catch the original email; this is a general post and not a reply to
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[please note: i didn't catch the original email; this is a general post and not a reply to be taken "personally" :)] Kraftwerk: regardless of how anyone feels personally about their music, (i find there are two groups of people who *really* love them: the gear people who focus on what they were able to do with what they had, and the music lovers/DJs who are "damn, this twenty year old kraftwerk still sounds as good today as it did when recorded"; played "numbers" on show 593 and it goes head to head with stuff from 18 years later :)) it is impossible to deny their contribution. it's interesting to see how just a *sample* of a certain Kraftwerk song can shape things in the future. for example, Afrika Bambaataa's using the strings from Kraftwerk's Trans Europe Express for Planet Rock (and keep in mind this was done a few years after TEE was recorded, not right away, so it took us in north america a while to catch on to the good thing) and what that track went on to influence; Juan Atkins' hearing Kraftwerk (just a bit) for the first time and suddenly rethinking even the music he had *already recorded* prior to Kraftwerk. And look what Juan Atkins has done. (shit, we can even blame Atkins for Sir Mix A Lot; SMAL's biggest hit, "Baby Got Back", rode the rhythm from Channel One's (Doug Craig, relative of a certain Carl, and Juan Atkins release from 1986 on Atkins' Metroplex) "Technicolor"!) Dan Bell's sampling of Kraftwerk's Numbers for an early DBX track, and look at how DBX and Dan Bell classics have shaped things. I just woke up and that's just three quick examples off the top of my head, there's tons more. I agree that people tend to talk about the same small group of names over and over, and I won't name any names to illustrate this point! ;) (i think it's a human mental laziness thing to do this, not at all something that just happens when talking about music) but there have always been and always will be, unfortunately, acts who constantly get props (deserved and not totally deserved) and those who don't (but who do deserve it). Take Newcleus' track "Jam On It" for example. Listen to the break in that track: just one bar of that break went on to inspire the British bleep sound years later (this time north america doing something that "outside" took a while to catch onto; sorta the reverse of the kraftwerk to bambaataa thing of years previous). Warp built their label on this sound, so you could break it down to Newcleus' "Jam On It" ... Warp Records! (how's that for some IDM-related content, huh? ;) Anyway, you don't hear people talking about "oh, the break in 'Jam On It' indirectly lead to the formation of Warp Records", but we need to think harder to come up with that kind of way of looking at the broader spectrum. Things tend to get broken down into A = B, B = C, therefore A = C. this only works in math, not in music. to use a cliche, there's all sort of things that have gone and continue to go into our giant jambalaya of sound, and kraftwerk was one of the many main ingredients (sorta the musical soup stock :)) speakin' of food, tummy is rumbling, time for some cereal for breakfast :) andrew duke ps THE aTKINS/sir mix a lot tale is told by mike grant in the text interview on cognition (http://techno.ca/cognition) and if you feel like subjecting yourself to more of the mental loopiness runnin' through my brain (in text form :)) there's plenty of commentaries in the same place. little miss trinitron wrote:
quoted 10 lines I would say the most over-hyped electronic artist is Kraftwerk,> > I would say the most over-hyped electronic artist is Kraftwerk, > > but I won't because of the backlash it would generate. > > i think that is a little harsh. you've got to think of what the music world > was like in those days, how much work and inspiration it actually took for > kraftwerk to break through and create what they did. for that alone they > will quite literally always be remembered. and if you take their body of > work simply on its own merit, they are still awesome 20 years later. they > made something very, very difficult sound very easy. autechre etc. have > taken something very easy and made it seem difficult.
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1999-11-03 15:25Kelley HackettAgreed. Not too much to say, u said it all... Viva, Oar!!! > -----Original Message----- >
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Agreed. Not too much to say, u said it all... Viva, Oar!!!
quoted 114 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: cognition@ns.sympatico.ca [SMTP:cognition@ns.sympatico.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 8:21 AM > To: little miss trinitron > Cc: idm; ...313 list > Subject: (idm) re:Kraftwerk/Newcleus/etc > > [please note: > i didn't catch the original email; this is > a general post and not a reply to be taken > "personally" :)] > Kraftwerk: regardless of how anyone feels > personally about their music, (i find there are > two groups of people who *really* love them: > the gear people who focus on what they were > able to do with what they had, and the music > lovers/DJs who are "damn, this twenty year > old kraftwerk still sounds as good today as > it did when recorded"; played "numbers" > on show 593 and it goes head to head with > stuff from 18 years later :)) it is impossible > to deny their contribution. it's interesting to > see how just a *sample* of a certain Kraftwerk > song can shape things in the future. for example, > Afrika Bambaataa's using the strings from > Kraftwerk's Trans Europe Express for Planet > Rock (and keep in mind this was done a few > years after TEE was recorded, not right away, > so it took us in north america a while to catch > on to the good thing) and what that track went on to influence; > Juan Atkins' hearing Kraftwerk (just a bit) for > the first time and suddenly rethinking even the > music he had *already recorded* prior to > Kraftwerk. And look what Juan Atkins has done. > (shit, we can even blame Atkins for Sir Mix A Lot; > SMAL's biggest hit, "Baby Got Back", rode > the rhythm from Channel One's (Doug Craig, > relative of a certain Carl, and Juan Atkins release > from 1986 on Atkins' Metroplex) "Technicolor"!) > Dan Bell's sampling of Kraftwerk's Numbers > for an early DBX track, and look at how DBX > and Dan Bell classics have shaped things. I just > woke up and that's just three quick examples > off the top of my head, there's tons more. I > agree that people tend to talk about the same > small group of names over and over, and I won't > name any names to illustrate this point! ;) (i think > it's a human mental laziness thing to do this, not at all > something that just happens when talking > about music) but > there have always been and always will be, > unfortunately, acts who constantly get props > (deserved and not totally deserved) and > those who don't (but who do deserve it). > Take Newcleus' track "Jam On It" for example. > Listen to the break in that track: just one > bar of that break went on to inspire the British > bleep sound years later (this time north america > doing something that "outside" took a while to > catch onto; sorta the reverse of the kraftwerk > to bambaataa thing of years previous). Warp built their label > on this sound, so you could break it down to > Newcleus' "Jam On It" ... Warp Records! > (how's that for some IDM-related content, > huh? ;) Anyway, you don't hear people talking > about "oh, the break in 'Jam On It' indirectly > lead to the formation of Warp Records", but > we need to think harder to come up with that > kind of way of looking at the broader spectrum. > Things tend to get broken down into A = B, > B = C, therefore A = C. this only works in math, > not in music. to use a cliche, there's all sort of > things that have gone and continue to go into > our giant jambalaya of sound, and kraftwerk was > one of the many main ingredients (sorta the musical > soup stock :)) speakin' of food, > tummy is rumbling, time for some > cereal for breakfast :) andrew duke ps THE aTKINS/sir mix > a lot tale is told by mike grant in the text interview > on cognition (http://techno.ca/cognition) and if > you feel like subjecting yourself to more of the > mental loopiness runnin' through my brain (in text > form :)) there's plenty of commentaries in the > same place. > > little miss trinitron wrote: > > > > I would say the most over-hyped electronic artist is Kraftwerk, > > > but I won't because of the backlash it would generate. > > > > i think that is a little harsh. you've got to think of what the music > world > > was like in those days, how much work and inspiration it actually took > for > > kraftwerk to break through and create what they did. for that alone > they > > will quite literally always be remembered. and if you take their body > of > > work simply on its own merit, they are still awesome 20 years later. > they > > made something very, very difficult sound very easy. autechre etc. have > > taken something very easy and made it seem difficult. > > -- > Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix > mailto:cognition@techno.ca > http://techno.ca/cognition > 1096 Queen St #123 Halifax NS Canada B3H 2R9 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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