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1999-10-27 23:41Warp Yourself (idm) MP3 Etiquette
└─ 1999-10-28 22:01Mark Kolmar Re: (idm) MP3 Etiquette
1999-10-28 01:30Jeff Waye/Ninja Tune (idm) MP3 Etiquette
└─ 1999-10-28 15:16Kent williams Re: (idm) MP3 Etiquette
1999-10-28 03:16esa ruoho Re: (idm) MP3 Etiquette
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1999-10-27 23:41Warp YourselfHey all. I've been stressed out with work so I might have missed a thread but what, in gen
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Hey all. I've been stressed out with work so I might have missed a thread but what, in general, are the rules on mp3 etiquette? I'm talking about copying an IDM artists work, out of print, the 50 press limited edition in Cologne type situation? In general? Of course I don't condone stealing but my gut tells me there are some valid reasons to copy something for someone else and make it available on the net. I'm also interested in the opinions of actual artists themselves- it is your work after all. Thanks much, David
quoted 27 lines From: Ernesto Ikerd <IkerdEA@lmtas.lmco.com>>From: Ernesto Ikerd <IkerdEA@lmtas.lmco.com> >CC: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: (idm) OCTOBER 23, 1999 >Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 10:01:34 -0500 > > >does it really matter what the name of the party is? and just to make it > >clear... we are against drug use at this party hence the reminder "Those > >of you who plan to sit infront of the speakers and on the dance > >floor in little puddles please know that you?re NOT welcome to do so at > >this party... you WILL be asked to move or leave!" > >Wow! Somebody fill me on what this cool-sounding substance is that >compels one to sit down on a blaring dancefloor in a urine puddle - I >think I need a couple !!! > >e > > > >Ernesto Ikerd, (817) 763-4795 >Company Graphics, Dept 17, MZ-1156 >Lockheed Martin Tactical Aircraft Systems >Fort Worth, Texas > > > >
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1999-10-28 22:01Mark Kolmar> Of course I don't condone stealing but my gut tells me there are some valid > reasons to
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Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:01:17 -0500 (CDT)
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quoted 5 lines Of course I don't condone stealing but my gut tells me there are some valid> Of course I don't condone stealing but my gut tells me there are some valid > reasons to copy something for someone else and make it available on the net. > > I'm also interested in the opinions of actual artists themselves- it is your > work after all.
Well, first, I intend on keeping my releases in print and available. (You can still get my first cassette directly from me. Some people from Russia have. Go figure.) If something goes out of print, I will try to figure out a way to keep it available, preferably in a way in which it can potentially be a source of income (e.g. CD-R on-demand). Then the other trick for anyone is to avoid signing contracts in which you give away rights to your work indefinitely. I compose with the idea that people will be able to hear the material. My order of preference for how to make it available to them is: 1. Keep it in print 2. Make it available, even if only CD-R on-demand 3. Authorized MP3s 100. Unauthorized MP3s or CD-Rs --Mark __ Burning Rome : SENSELESS CD on Mindfield Records MindCD03 Cathartium 14 < http://www.burningrome.com/ > < download MP3s, hear RealAudio first > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-10-28 01:30Jeff Waye/Ninja Tunea valid reason/etiquette would be if you own the work yourself or ask the record company f
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a valid reason/etiquette would be if you own the work yourself or ask the record company for permission to do so (we're not all such bad people). Seriously though it's tricky for us. We don't want to appear as unreasonable assholes but it's hard to tell from a label perpective who is putting the stuff up because they like it and are trying to help promote their fav tunes, or who is just being shady and opportunistic about scamming our tracks. My feeling is that if you're trying to help promote...don't put the whole track/record up for download. If you're being opportunistic and just ripping off us and our artists...well then fuck off, I'll come over to your house and steal something of yours. If it's something that's out of print...ask the label. They just might say yes, to try and create demand for a repressing or at least it might kick the label in the ass to put it on their site for free. We got so many requests for the Kid Koala 10" that we put it up for free for 2 weeks and had over 4500 downloads...so it works. Jeff
quoted 2 lines Of course I don't condone stealing but my gut tells me there are some valid>Of course I don't condone stealing but my gut tells me there are some valid >reasons to copy something for someone else and make it available on the net.
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1999-10-28 15:16Kent williamsI think what Jeff said is 100% valid. The Internet is a case where a technology has create
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I think what Jeff said is 100% valid. The Internet is a case where a technology has created a new arena for human behavior, without there being any societal standards for acceptible behavior. Or rather, people know what's right or wrong, but the arena doesn't provide the checks and balances on wrong behavior that real life does. Eventually people will realize this: The fact that the Internet is a cloud of stuff that's distinct from everyday experience, doesn't mean that there are no consequences for behavior there. What the 'traditional' record companies are up against is that the Internet is a distribution method for their software that's media-free. Before the Internet, a company's intellectual property was protected by the fact that the software (music) was inextricably tied to a delivery medium that normal punters had no way to create for themselves. Now that any sucker with a CD burner can bootleg perfect copies of a company's product, they have to be scared. They have to depend on the goodwill of their customers to keep people from making 10 copies of a CD for their friends. And that goodwill is key -- enforcing a ban on unauthorized duplication is impossible, short of turning the world into a police state. And unfortunately, the consequences of low level bootlegging are much worse for small companies than big companies. You may think that labels like Warp and Ninja Tune are places where cocaine piles up in drifts in the corners, and six packs of willing underaged women get dropped off daily. The reality is that it's just about all they can do to keep everyone paid and the lights turned on. If a major label has a record that sells 750k copies through legitimate channels, 50k CDR copies floating around isn't a huge loss -- For a company like Warp, where selling 100K units is an overwhelming success, having 50k cdr copies floating around means that 1/3 of their potential profit may have gone up in smoke. So do try and be a good citizen kids. You can't get something for nothing -- it might seem like that, but if you keep scamming companies out of legitimate sales, pretty soon they won't be there any more. And then you'll have to satisfy yourself with whatever weak crap shows up on MP3.COM. Speaking of weak crap, be sure and check out mine at http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher kent williams -- kent@avalon.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-10-28 03:16esa ruohoWarp Yourself wrote: > I'm also interested in the opinions of actual artists themselves- i
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Warp Yourself wrote:
quoted 2 lines I'm also interested in the opinions of actual artists themselves- it is your> I'm also interested in the opinions of actual artists themselves- it is your > work after all.
ï'd be rather happy if someone took the trouble to go and encode my work properly (properly meaning 192kbps/44khz/stereo instead of the 56kbps/22khz/mono with mouse clicks and background hum :) (boc:everything you do is a balloon)). but in the end i'll probably have to do it myself --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org