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Ciao - Just listening for the first time: DJ Kicks: Stacy Pullen Recommended to IDM-heads. Some lovely atmospheric grooves. Phume, Christian Vogel, Kenny Larkin, Silent Phase, .... 3

quoted 3 lines complete crap? I have witnessed some of my favorite producers DJ at

>complete crap? I have witnessed some of my favorite producers DJ at >parties and mix so poorly it's embarrassing. Any thoughts on this? Any >similar observations?

i'm sure someone will step up with exceptions, but invariably producers are terrible dj's. i thought stacy pullen and carl craig were dj's before they were producers, so i can't explain that, but i've been disappointed every single time some promoter has thought that they should get juan atkins or someone, even if he's not playing live. eric

Huh, I've never noticed a problem in the mixing on the Stacey Pullen CD. Maybe we're getting into a subjective debate. I've heard Stacey do sets ranging from adequate to among the best I've ever heard - he overshadowed Derrick May when they played here a few years back. Carl's moved the focus to live performances, and doesn't DJ nearly so much nowadays. Juan's primarily a producer, but he tends to have amazing programming/track selection skill. When it gets down to it, I'd rather listen to a DJ who fumbles a beat from time to time yet plays amazing tracks that a smooth/tricky as fuck technician playing homogenous tracks. Joe At 12:27 PM -0700 10/27/99, eric hill wrote:

quoted 11 lines complete crap? I have witnessed some of my favorite producers DJ at

> >complete crap? I have witnessed some of my favorite producers DJ at > >parties and mix so poorly it's embarrassing. Any thoughts on this? Any > >similar observations? > >i'm sure someone will step up with exceptions, but invariably producers >are terrible dj's. i thought stacy pullen and carl craig were dj's before >they were producers, so i can't explain that, but i've been disappointed >every single time some promoter has thought that they should get juan >atkins or someone, even if he's not playing live. > >eric

I don't understand what anyone could find wrong with the mixing on Stacey Pullen's DJ kicks cd...in fact, the cd was admittedly perfected/enhanced with studio effects. The Carl Craig cd isn't really beatmixed...its simply segued together. The tracks rock, indeed, but I can definitely see people having issues with Craig's DJing on that cd. In my opinion, though, if one is going to pan any of the DJ Kicks CDs, my choice would be the first one: CJ Bolland's mix. Now, that cd is not mixed well, at all...Bolland definitely pulls off some shaky mixes that are really apparent because most of the stuff he played was pretty hard techno....its much more difficult to get away with shaky mixing when yer playin' the harder stuff. Another thing, I understand that Stacey Pullen has plans on doing another mix cd sometime next year hopefully, once he finishes all the work on his album for Virgin/Science/Astralwerks. Anyone else have any info on this? bc

quoted 5 lines I don't understand what anyone could find wrong with the mixing on Stacey

>I don't understand what anyone could find wrong with the mixing on Stacey >Pullen's DJ kicks cd...in fact, the cd was admittedly perfected/enhanced >with studio effects. The Carl Craig cd isn't really beatmixed...its simply >segued together. The tracks rock, indeed, but I can definitely see people >having issues with Craig's DJing on that cd.

heh, well it would call in to question why they call it "DJ" kicks, vs. "records kick" or something a little closer to the facts. the andrea parker cd comes to mind as well, though i hate to have to mention it. eric

eric hill wrote:

quoted 5 lines i'm sure someone will step up with exceptions, but invariably producers

> i'm sure someone will step up with exceptions, but invariably producers > are terrible dj's. i thought stacy pullen and carl craig were dj's before > they were producers, so i can't explain that, but i've been disappointed > every single time some promoter has thought that they should get juan > atkins or someone, even if he's not playing live.

Carl Craig was producing _well_ before he ever played out, and has, over the last few years, semi-retired from DJing to concentrate on producing music and running Planet E. Stacey Pullen, on the other hand, has been DJing for a _very_ long time (well before he produced any tracks) and I'm surprised to hear his mixing slagged (though I havent heard the mix CD in question), as he's been smooth as silk the half-dozen or so times I've heard him play clubs and/or parties. Is this a case of a truly sloppy mix CD, or does the mixing just sound rough compared to those dull pro-tools things most people put out these days? -d.w.

I thought all the Dj Kicks comps were pro-tools things:) Seriously though I don't remember the Pullen or Craig discs being sloppy so as to be unlistenable. On the other hand, if you are looking for a more flowing set, the Claude Young DJ kicks well, kicks... peace Nate On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Dave Walker wrote:

quoted 27 lines eric hill wrote:

> eric hill wrote: > > > i'm sure someone will step up with exceptions, but invariably producers > > are terrible dj's. i thought stacy pullen and carl craig were dj's before > > they were producers, so i can't explain that, but i've been disappointed > > every single time some promoter has thought that they should get juan > > atkins or someone, even if he's not playing live. > > Carl Craig was producing _well_ before he ever played out, > and has, over the last few years, semi-retired from DJing > to concentrate on producing music and running Planet E. > > Stacey Pullen, on the other hand, has been DJing for a > _very_ long time (well before he produced any tracks) > and I'm surprised to hear his mixing slagged (though > I havent heard the mix CD in question), as he's been smooth > as silk the half-dozen or so times I've heard him play > clubs and/or parties. Is this a case of a truly sloppy mix > CD, or does the mixing just sound rough compared to > those dull pro-tools things most people put out > these days? > > -d.w. > > > >

I did a multimedia thing a few years ago with Carl Craig (called Header), he DJed at the launch party. I remember him saying at the time that the only reason he DJed at all was because people kept asking him to. Even he didn't think he was that good. He wasn't all bad though. His wife, Hannah, though - she rocks! Ross. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Walker <marmoset@mich.com> To: idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org> Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 9:05 PM Subject: Re: (idm) DJ Kicks: Stacy Pullen

quoted 26 lines eric hill wrote:

>eric hill wrote: > >> i'm sure someone will step up with exceptions, but invariably producers >> are terrible dj's. i thought stacy pullen and carl craig were dj's before >> they were producers, so i can't explain that, but i've been disappointed >> every single time some promoter has thought that they should get juan >> atkins or someone, even if he's not playing live. > >Carl Craig was producing _well_ before he ever played out, >and has, over the last few years, semi-retired from DJing >to concentrate on producing music and running Planet E. > >Stacey Pullen, on the other hand, has been DJing for a >_very_ long time (well before he produced any tracks) >and I'm surprised to hear his mixing slagged (though >I havent heard the mix CD in question), as he's been smooth >as silk the half-dozen or so times I've heard him play >clubs and/or parties. Is this a case of a truly sloppy mix >CD, or does the mixing just sound rough compared to >those dull pro-tools things most people put out >these days? > > -d.w. > > >

-- "n:h" <nate@toshoklabs.com> wrote:

quoted 14 lines I thought all the Dj Kicks comps were pro-tools

> > I thought all the Dj Kicks comps were pro-tools > things:) > > Seriously though I don't remember the Pullen or > Craig discs being sloppy > so as to be unlistenable. On the other hand, if you > are looking for a > more flowing set, the Claude Young DJ kicks well, > kicks... > > peace > > Nate

I bought the Carl Craig right when it first came out and thought it was kind of wacky. I love his music, but this mix wasn't that impressive. One thing I can say about the Dj Kicks Carl Craig is that it turned me on to Claude Young. The Claude Young is slamming!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Still one of the best mix cds I have ever heard. He told me he has a new mix cd coming out, can't wait!!! The Stacey Pullen was decent at first. Then it started growing on me alot. It's good, but Claude's is the ONE! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

Easily and it aint pretty. From what I understand, back when this series first came out the artist was given the task of selecting which tracks they wanted to appear on the compilation and then some asshole studio guy sequenced the tracks together. Later on in the series however, the person who's name was in the big letters on the front of the CD was the one doing the mixing (like kruder & Dorfmeister's mix and many others). Of course-I could be wrong...but this is what I was told and have come to understand as the truth.

quoted 16 lines From: Shimone Samuel <shimone@pnbc.net>

>From: Shimone Samuel <shimone@pnbc.net> >I have to step out to agree AND disagree. >The music selection is awesome but the mixing is SO poor it's hardly >unlistenable. >Same goes for the Carl Craig DJ Kicks Mix-great selection-shitty mixing. >This actually brings up a question that I've been meaning to ask all you >heads: How can a "big name" DJ get away with putting out a "mix" cd that >completely utterly totally sucks? How can these dj's consciously place >samples or other bits between tracks faded together and call it a mix? >How can they mismatch beats? Wouldn't you expect someone who makes great >music to know the difference between what sounds good and what is >complete crap? I have witnessed some of my favorite producers DJ at >parties and mix so poorly it's embarrassing. Any thoughts on this? Any >similar observations? > >Shimone

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