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2000-05-10 22:49Will Simmons [idm] Ae - Something you may have overlooked...
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2000-05-10 22:49Will SimmonsI'm surprised that you fellers have left something of possible importance out of this disc
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I'm surprised that you fellers have left something of possible importance out of this discussion. Consider ...I Care Because You Do. Wouldn't you say that it holds a lot of what we now define Autechre as? It's got a lot of the experimentalism and glitchy squishiness that many of us call Autechre-esque these days. Keep in mind that ...I Care Because You Do came out in '95, that was before a lot of Ae's more definitive work had surfaced. Basically, I think, on this list anyway, we tend to put so much on Ae's name, as if they were the only means of originality in IDM history. I would say, for example, that Boards of Canada's work favors ...I Care Because You Do more than anything Autechre has put out. I'm no expert on the evolution of IDM, so my argument here could be dramatically flawed here. Let me know if it is. - Will --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-10 23:01Brian MacDonaldAll of this is just one big fucking rip off of Severed Heads' "Since The Accident" to "Com
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All of this is just one big fucking rip off of Severed Heads' "Since The Accident" to "Come Visit The Big Bigot" years anyway.... SMILEY ---> (: :) <--- YELIMS ...ellardly yours... ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> KUCI 88.9 fM in Irvine, CA -- Orange County ======================================================================= On Wed, 10 May 2000, Will Simmons wrote:
quoted 21 lines I'm surprised that you fellers have left something of possible> I'm surprised that you fellers have left something of possible > importance out of this discussion. Consider ...I Care Because You Do. > Wouldn't you say that it holds a lot of what we now define Autechre as? > It's got a lot of the experimentalism and glitchy squishiness that many > of us call Autechre-esque these days. Keep in mind that ...I Care > Because You Do came out in '95, that was before a lot of Ae's more > definitive work had surfaced. Basically, I think, on this list anyway, > we tend to put so much on Ae's name, as if they were the only means of > originality in IDM history. I would say, for example, that Boards of > Canada's work favors ...I Care Because You Do more than anything > Autechre has put out. I'm no expert on the evolution of IDM, so my > argument here could be dramatically flawed here. Let me know if it is. > > - Will > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2000-05-10 23:06componentAlso a name that doesn't get dropped as much is Beaumant Hannant. He was doing tracks that
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Also a name that doesn't get dropped as much is Beaumant Hannant. He was doing tracks that could definately be seen as a precurser to alot of modern IDM circa 93 or so. Autechre are great and love alot of their tracks but they aren't the end all be all Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Will Simmons <wdsimmo@comp.uark.edu> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 6:49 PM Subject: [idm] Ae - Something you may have overlooked...
quoted 20 lines I'm surprised that you fellers have left something of possible> I'm surprised that you fellers have left something of possible > importance out of this discussion. Consider ...I Care Because You Do. > Wouldn't you say that it holds a lot of what we now define Autechre as? > It's got a lot of the experimentalism and glitchy squishiness that many > of us call Autechre-esque these days. Keep in mind that ...I Care > Because You Do came out in '95, that was before a lot of Ae's more > definitive work had surfaced. Basically, I think, on this list anyway, > we tend to put so much on Ae's name, as if they were the only means of > originality in IDM history. I would say, for example, that Boards of > Canada's work favors ...I Care Because You Do more than anything > Autechre has put out. I'm no expert on the evolution of IDM, so my > argument here could be dramatically flawed here. Let me know if it is. > > - Will > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-05-10 23:31Brian, from inside his own brainRob, This is definitely true...but where the hell did BH go? I keep waiting for new stuff,
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Rob, This is definitely true...but where the hell did BH go? I keep waiting for new stuff, but nothing...argh! ---brian component wrote:
quoted 38 lines Also a name that doesn't get dropped as much is> Also a name that doesn't get dropped as much is > Beaumant Hannant. He was doing tracks that could > definately be seen as a precurser to alot of modern > IDM circa 93 or so. Autechre are great and love > alot of their tracks but they aren't the end all be all > > Rob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Will Simmons <wdsimmo@comp.uark.edu> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 6:49 PM > Subject: [idm] Ae - Something you may have overlooked... > > > I'm surprised that you fellers have left something of possible > > importance out of this discussion. Consider ...I Care Because You Do. > > Wouldn't you say that it holds a lot of what we now define Autechre as? > > It's got a lot of the experimentalism and glitchy squishiness that many > > of us call Autechre-esque these days. Keep in mind that ...I Care > > Because You Do came out in '95, that was before a lot of Ae's more > > definitive work had surfaced. Basically, I think, on this list anyway, > > we tend to put so much on Ae's name, as if they were the only means of > > originality in IDM history. I would say, for example, that Boards of > > Canada's work favors ...I Care Because You Do more than anything > > Autechre has put out. I'm no expert on the evolution of IDM, so my > > argument here could be dramatically flawed here. Let me know if it is. > > > > - Will > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2000-05-11 00:49rich burlyI would say, for example, that Boards of > Canada's work favors ...I Care Because You Do m
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I would say, for example, that Boards of
quoted 2 lines Canada's work favors ...I Care Because You Do more than anything> Canada's work favors ...I Care Because You Do more than anything > Autechre has put out.
i agree with you, hear, but as for this... ....Keep in mind that ...I Care
quoted 2 lines Because You Do came out in '95, that was before a lot of Ae's more> Because You Do came out in '95, that was before a lot of Ae's more > definitive work had surfaced.
well, i'd argue that you can hear shades of what autechre would become on 'incunabula' and 'amber', but 'anti' came out in 1994 and 'garbage', anvil vapre' and 'tri repetae' were released in 1995. i think autechre had a fairly well-defined aesthetic by this time. i think booth and brown have a sense of purpose in their music that the post-ae crowd and indeed many of their own peers lack. the bands that 'sound like' autechre, eg funkstoerung, merely sound like them. they've appropriated some very objective signatures, such as the stuttering beats, fried textures and quirky, 'downer' melodies, without a regard to the subjective, less obvious traits. slippery and smudgy thing that language is, i have difficulty trying to explain it, but there's muscle beneath the autechre membrane for which these bands do not account. i'm not saying that they should, mind you, but very few of the bands i've heard that are bandied about on this list have a certain, erm, teleological quality about them that makes them truly distinguishable from others (i'm not just talking about ae soundalikes, here). it's the thing that makes vladislav delay or various artists stand out when one might lump them casually with everyone in the chain reaction/basic channel/pole clique and that which prevents me from claling bola, gescom or freeform 'just another skam band'. autechre, i suppose, possess a sense of craft that i find lacking in too many bands these days. regrettably, i can only define the symptoms of that state - ae at their best knew when complexity became muddy or undisciplined, alternately they could distinguish the minimal from the unfinished. of course, i'm a fan of autechre, and i might see this more clearly if i were a fan of some of those other bands that don't do it for me. but - 'cichli', for example, is more than a fucked-up melody in ten/four meter. i hope the moderator of the autechre community on onelist will forgive me for referencing him without permission, but i feel he describes it best: ---- a good portion of the majesty of Ae's music lays in their ability to stir the soul, to move a human through mechanical, aural means. it's not all about the odd time signatures, and the samplers that chew on themselves, but about the ability to transcend these barriers separating man & machine and find that we have much more in common than we think. ---- with that, i'll let you go. this was longer than i had intended, sorry. ===== yours, niall. .. . . . . . . . . . aleph null a simple insinuation around silence music: 'two and a half days in love with you, six by seven text: 'moscow to the end of the line', venedikt erofeev film: 'two lane blacktop', monte hellman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-11 07:08Konstantin Minko> -----Original Message----- > From: rich burly [mailto:zombiefodder@yahoo.com] > Sent: Th
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quoted 13 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: rich burly [mailto:zombiefodder@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 3:49 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] Ae - Something you may have overlooked... > > ....Keep in mind that ...I Care > > Because You Do came out in '95, that was before a lot of Ae's more > > definitive work had surfaced. > > > well, i'd argue that you can hear shades of what autechre would become on > 'incunabula' and 'amber',
Well, I'd argue that as well. Incunbula was a starter rather far from what they did later on but Amber I consider sometimes as their best album. It has everything their later albums had, especially aesthetic. Their most beautiful melodies came from Amber and Tri Repetae. IMHO.
quoted 3 lines but 'anti' came out in 1994 and 'garbage', anvil> but 'anti' came out in 1994 and 'garbage', anvil > vapre' and 'tri repetae' were released in 1995. i think autechre had a > fairly well-defined aesthetic by this time.
But. RDJ's "I care because you do..." is made up of tracks made much earlier 1992-1995 as far as I know (not to mention his AFX stuff from 90-91) and it is safe to say that RDJ emerged as idm artist earlier than Ae, though he was making absolutely different music all the time, so... take care Alien --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-11 02:32David Shipman> I'm surprised that you fellers have left something of possible > importance out of this
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quoted 12 lines I'm surprised that you fellers have left something of possible> I'm surprised that you fellers have left something of possible > importance out of this discussion. Consider ...I Care Because You Do. > Wouldn't you say that it holds a lot of what we now define Autechre as? > It's got a lot of the experimentalism and glitchy squishiness that many > of us call Autechre-esque these days. Keep in mind that ...I Care > Because You Do came out in '95, that was before a lot of Ae's more > definitive work had surfaced. Basically, I think, on this list anyway, > we tend to put so much on Ae's name, as if they were the only means of > originality in IDM history. I would say, for example, that Boards of > Canada's work favors ...I Care Because You Do more than anything > Autechre has put out. I'm no expert on the evolution of IDM, so my > argument here could be dramatically flawed here. Let me know if it is.
Here's something a lot of people seem to miss, the difference between the "glitch" and just plain dirty lo fi beats. I Care Because You Do is one of the calmest, most linear, "traditional" records that RDJ has put out in recent years. As far away from ae as he gets. He uses some dirty beats tho, similar to BoC stuff. Although, I don't even really see how BoC gets to be called IDM (except maybe Telephasic Workshop, that track is lovely), perhaps one would say "Intelligent Trip Hop"? With Ae it seems more like, the "dirt" IS the sound... the noise, clicks, pops, are the components, not just a character of something (unlike a processed break made to sound "dirty") ... I certainly can't see any influence from I Care Because You Do or other music in that style... I find it strange that so many people can't see the difference here, it seems pretty obvious to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-11 15:18Matthew AllenFirst IDM post to make me Laugh Out Loud in a while. sheer beauty. > -----Original Message
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First IDM post to make me Laugh Out Loud in a while. sheer beauty.
quoted 11 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Brian MacDonald [mailto:brianm@kuci.org] > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 4:01 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] Ae - Something you may have overlooked... > > > > All of this is just one big fucking rip off of Severed Heads' > "Since The > Accident" to "Come Visit The Big Bigot" years anyway....
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