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hm...haven't heard much about what people think of this thing. Got it home yesterday, and my first reaction is: oh, right, now I remember why I used to have little interest in electronic dance music. At worst, the stuff on this compilation is paper-thin dance fodder that hasn't aged gracefully. Certainly most stuff I've heard from Warp is somewhat more developed musically and/or conceptually. Alright, so the people who went on to make pretty interesting music were influenced by a bunch of crap. Well, I usually like crap, so I guess I'll keep listening to it till I like it. well, now actually, by the time my expectations were whittled down to naught, I became excited when Disc 2 proved to be a bit better. A least there's a few good tracks in a row at the top (Unique3, 808 State, A Guy Called Gerald), before more or less lapsing into crap of historical interest. kurt

On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, kurt wrote:

quoted 4 lines Alright, so the people who went on to make pretty interesting music were

> Alright, so the people who went on to make pretty interesting music were > influenced by a bunch of crap. Well, I usually like crap, so I guess I'll > keep listening to it till I like it. >

No accounting for taste I guess. Pretty much every track there is seminal, classic, and timeless, in my opinion. If you don't like it that's fine, but for me it's all gold. Big up Warp for doing the legwork to license all those tracks. And 10+2 is full of tracks that directly illustrate how the tracks on the influences disk influenced the warp sound. You probably won't like them much either. I've heard people say the remix comp is rather sub-par, but I can't imagine dissing the influences or classics disks.

Good subject. For me it's like 50/50. Half of my favorite records I liked from the first listen and half was missed in any way and then recovered and reassessed. For such cases I like to mention how I got to adore Ae. I first listened to it by friends recommendation in 96. I listened to it once or twice and checked it as good music but somehow forgot about it. And then once in two or three months I found this cassette and remembered that it was told to be good. I put it in the walkman and went to my friends party. After only ten ot twenty minutes of listening I fell in love with it till the present moment and I'm still sure that there's no other music that matches my inner world. Another case is that most of my favorite records were first assessed to be really good only after listening to them in stoned condition. But that's another story... my two kopecs (sorry for crib) Alien np. Amon Tobin "Bricolage"

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> -----Original Message----- > From: idm-owner@hyperreal.org [mailto:idm-owner@hyperreal.org]On > Behalf Of Irene McC > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 10:33 AM > To: supine@bway.net; idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: (idm) repeat listening/Warp 10+1 Influences > > > On 18 Oct 99, kurt wrote re: (idm) Warp 10+1 Influences: > > > so I guess I'll > > keep listening to it till I like it. > > This is something I'd like feedback on: DOES music necessarily > "grow on you" with repeat listening? I tend to make a snap > decision on the off : skip skip skip through a new release (either in > the shop or at home) and it either gells or it doesn't. > > If it grabs me right away, I know I'll play it over and over and come > to assimilate and love it, but if it leaves me cold with the initial > exposure, I'm hardly likely to really adore it further down the line. I > might *appreciate* it more, understand its intricacies, etc. but on > an emotional level, I don't think my enjoyment will increase if I > didn't immediately find something there - some spark. > > I think it's like the initial "chemistry" between people - the > electricity you feel on first meeting that arouses your curiosity to > delve deeper. Others you might have superficial conversations > with, but never really call your close friends. > > Hmmm, musing over. Back to work. > > I > * >

quoted 4 lines This is something I'd like feedback on: DOES music necessarily

>This is something I'd like feedback on: DOES music necessarily >"grow on you" with repeat listening? I tend to make a snap >decision on the off : skip skip skip through a new release (either in >the shop or at home) and it either gells or it doesn't.

I think it happens every which way. I recall hearing Richard Strauss' music for the first time, and thinking it was the most oppressive pile of overwrought annoying shit I'd ever heard. Later I became quite devoted to his music. of course most of my friends (and probably most people on this list) still find Strauss the most oppressive and pretentious crap imaginable, and so I skulk about, a pariah. the other thing I find is that few pieces of music work for me the same way every time i play them. What sounded blissfully perfect at midnight sounded like crap in the morning. Records that sounded great at the store somehow died on the way home, never to sound good again. Records that seemed unpromising sprang to life again later. I'm often foraging through my cds and records to give some loser another chance. and so I will dive back into the "Warp 10+1" compilation, seeking the pleasures I've heard intimations of; perhaps they will be mine one day. kurt

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Irene McC wrote: ->might *appreciate* it more, understand its intricacies, etc. but on ->an emotional level, I don't think my enjoyment will increase if I ->didn't immediately find something there - some spark. i'm usually wary of albums with a high initial gee-whiz factor. case in point, say, Loop Guru - Loop Bites Dog. very high gee whiz value on first listen... after approx. 3 listens... BO-RING!!!!! also on the emotional issue.. i don't think it's necessarily a "love at first sight" thing. it's more the moment when you have an epiphany-like moment with a certain cd, from then on you have an emotional attachment. it could be a day after purchase or years after purchase. that's why it's hard, sometimes, to turn a friend on to what you consider to be a fantastic album - they simply have not experienced that epihany-like moment yet.. and it's kind of hard to quickly scan to 14:32 in a thirty minute track and say "LOOK! RIGHT THERE!! DID YOU HEAR THAT??" anyway for this reason, when i'm scanning a new cd to gauge it, i don't really look for that "spark" of an emotional fit with me - it's too soon. the best i can do is, from my knowledge of past favorites, to gauge it's 'potential' to give me an emotional experience later on. and then listen to it about 50 times with the lights off :) i've noticed my most favorite albums are the ones it took me the longest to come around to. -Alistair White www.ire.org/~al

There isn't that much music that I like that I didn't have some interest in initially, but one very good example would be squarepushers recent batch of stuff...When I bought budakahn mindphone, I didn't know much about what to expect, and on first listen completely hated it. I skipped tracks before listening to all of it, hoping to find a good bit to focus on, but no, it was just all shit. Then for some reason I found myself coming back to it a few days later....gave it another listen. This time it wasn't too bad, but I still didn't like it much. This continued up until the point where now I'd have to name this disc as one of my all time favourites! Its grown on me so much now I just couldn't live without it! So there you go, from absolutely hating it to completely loving it. Eddie

quoted 4 lines This is something I'd like feedback on: DOES music necessarily

>This is something I'd like feedback on: DOES music necessarily >"grow on you" with repeat listening? I tend to make a snap >decision on the off : skip skip skip through a new release (either in >the shop or at home) and it either gells or it doesn't.

quoted 6 lines If it grabs me right away, I know I'll play it over and over and come

>If it grabs me right away, I know I'll play it over and over and come >to assimilate and love it, but if it leaves me cold with the initial >exposure, I'm hardly likely to really adore it further down the line. I >might *appreciate* it more, understand its intricacies, etc. but on >an emotional level, I don't think my enjoyment will increase if I >didn't immediately find something there - some spark.

quoted 4 lines I think it's like the initial "chemistry" between people - the

>I think it's like the initial "chemistry" between people - the >electricity you feel on first meeting that arouses your curiosity to >delve deeper. Others you might have superficial conversations >with, but never really call your close friends.

quoted 1 line Hmmm, musing over. Back to work.

>Hmmm, musing over. Back to work.

<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param>On 19 Oct 99, Eddie Symons wrote re: Re: (idm) repeat listening/Warp 10+: <italic><color><param>7F00,0000,7F00</param>> So there you go, from absolutely hating it to completely loving it. </italic></color>Thanks for the input. Well, I suppose *something* must have made you go back to it. And quite a lot of ones emotional response is related to ones mood at the time - so that does temper the reactions. I *

quoted 4 lines This is something I'd like feedback on: DOES music necessarily

> > > >This is something I'd like feedback on: DOES music necessarily >"grow on you" with repeat listening?

Some music certainly is an acquired taste, so to speak. I know that some of my favorite albums pained me on first listening. I had to get inside that music's world to appreciate it. No guarantees, of course; you might still hate it. (Unfortunately, the opposite effect also occurs. Anyone here ever join the KISS Army? Sorry.) I hope Warp 10+1 is in fact an acquired taste. First listening resulted in rampant and violent boredom. However, 10+3 is lush. 10+2 should arrive momentarily. Also: admirations to Warp for very tasty graphic design. 3

Irene McC wrote:

quoted 9 lines On 18 Oct 99, kurt wrote re: (idm) Warp 10+1 Influences:

> On 18 Oct 99, kurt wrote re: (idm) Warp 10+1 Influences: > > > so I guess I'll > > keep listening to it till I like it. > > This is something I'd like feedback on: DOES music necessarily > "grow on you" with repeat listening? I tend to make a snap > decision on the off : skip skip skip through a new release (either in > the shop or at home) and it either gells or it doesn't.

I like to give things a chance if it doesn't grab me right off. My problem is that I do most of my music listening at work, where I have the worst sound system that I own. Listening to things in the car or at home reveal much more of the music, so if I don't like it at work, I try it in one of my other two scenarios. Things don't necessarily grow on me, as there are certain things I just don't like, and listening to them in one place or another isn't going to change that. But I like to give anything I buy a decent shot at winning me over. A great recent example is Innerzone Orchestra's _Programmed_. I listened to it twice at work and was sure it was going to end up on my trade list. But then I listened to it in the car a couple of times, and I discovered that there were only two tracks that I really disliked ("Basic Math" and "At Les"), and the rest of it was actually pretty decent, with "Manufactured Memories," "Bug In The Bass Bin," "Programmed" and "Galaxy" (a remix/cover/version of the War song) being the standout tracks. So I decided to keep it, and just skip the two songs I don't care for. ----- Adam J Weitzman --- NewsEdge Corporation ----- http://www.newsedge.com -- http://www.newspage.com "Humor is the best way of dealing with complete and utter nonsense." - John Lydon

quoted 1 line Also: admirations to Warp for very tasty graphic design.

>Also: admirations to Warp for very tasty graphic design.

Shouldn't your admirations be directed to TDR? Mike.