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◇ merged from 2 subjects: damn jazz shit - delete if you don't like nitpickyness · damn shit
2000-05-10 20:42William Samuels Re: [idm] damn jazz shit - DELETE if you don't like nitpickyness
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2000-05-11 00:44Ron Jeremy Re: [idm] damn shit
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2000-05-10 20:42William Samuels--- James R McPherson <andregurov@juno.com> wrote: > > Ugh. The dissolving of jazz into sa
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--- James R McPherson <andregurov@juno.com> wrote:
quoted 5 lines Ugh. The dissolving of jazz into samples. If the> > Ugh. The dissolving of jazz into samples. If the > form is to be reduced > to "snippets" of loops I think the world would be > better off just playing them on a pre-set synth.
It can be tastefully done. Alot of electronic musicians take "snippets" or drum breaks from all over the place. Jazz happens to be a very popular source for samples. Have you never heard a good trip hop tune with jazz in it? I have Actually take a listen to Photek - KJZ (Hidden Camera ep), that tunes is full of jazz samples...and it is a pretty great tune.
quoted 1 line All of this doggerel about jazzy dnb disgusts me.> All of this doggerel about jazzy dnb disgusts me.
Well there is some good jazzy dnb and some that sucks.
quoted 4 lines When did the beauty of dexterity, creativity,> When did the beauty of dexterity, creativity, > and improvisation > become whittled to a 6 second excerpt repeated ad > nauseum?
Let's see are we talking about sampling in general? A lot of electronic music is based on samples. You can indeed sample something and do something creative and original with it.
quoted 6 lines Sure, there> Sure, there > are similarities between electronic musics' use of > grounding > themes/percussion and jazz reliance on a clearly > stated melody, but it > ends there.
...time signatures, etc.
quoted 22 lines Jazz, by its very definition of> Jazz, by its very definition of > improvisation and forward tilt, is not. Part of the > joy is in hearing > how specific players re-interpret central > themes/melodies and use them as > a launching pad to artistic expression, night after > night after night > changing. To reduce is to negate (or perhaps I > should say to record is > to negate). > > I do not doubt the poster's love or understanding of > jazz (perhaps I > simply misunderstand), but the careful > reconstruction of solo passages in > an electronic recording does not add to the sum of > musical art and > lessens the very work that many jazz artists > accomplish. It may make a > very pretty pop song, and will probably be very > tuneful, exciting, and > soulful. But it is not jazz.
Actually I believe I recall one of Miles Davis's producers, saying that he just recorded everyone playing and then spliced the tapes. "Bitches Brew" is a record of splicings. The producer may of taken one session from the drummer and spliced it with someone else from a different session. I believe this is the case for many of Miles's release, possible other jazz recordings as well. A reconstruction of sorts...
quoted 8 lines And for me, then, I no longer care who the> And for me, then, I no longer care who the > individual/group sampled is. Does this mean > Macero's repasting of Miles' > trumpet and groups are not jazz either? Perhaps. > Does this mean the > presence of the studio debases jazz in its very > application? Hmm. But > this is an IDM list ; )
If it's done well and is enjoyable that's all that really matters to me.
quoted 2 lines 5 seconds of vision + 8 minutes of rhythm = dance> 5 seconds of vision + 8 minutes of rhythm = dance > music
Would you characterize Dj Shadow's - Endtroducing like that? I wouldn't, I had a lot of respect for that piece or work...even though it was based largely on samples.
quoted 1 line "Fuck dance, let's art" ... right?> "Fuck dance, let's art" ... right?
I always thought it was "Fuck Art Let's kill". At least that is what the T-Shirt says.
quoted 14 lines Coltrane remixed? The beauty of it would be in the> Coltrane remixed? The beauty of it would be in the > challenge, not the > results. I hope 4 Hero acquit themselves of it as > well on wax as in the > studio (intentional irony) ... > Sorry for wasting all of your valuable time, > > J (still stoked about New Orleans' great Jazz and > Heritage Festival) > > obIDM: anyone heard the source recording for > Peshay's "On the Nile"? If > you have, it's hard to argue that sampling has > always been a blessing ...
I love J Majik's - Arabian Nights [Metalheadz] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-10 20:56kevin@independence.netWell, i just signed up about a month ago and i can understand why people were bitching and
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Well, i just signed up about a month ago and i can understand why people were bitching and leaving.. so i thought i would write and complain about it :) acutally i figured it would be an appropriate time to through in a few Jazz quotes as of course im sure you heard Duke Ellington said "there are only two kinds of music, good music and baaad music".. fittinly appropriate to all the bitch posts i quickly glance over i guess.. the other only other IDM relevent one i can remember is from Miles Davis "I'll play it first and tell you what it is later." im just saying wgaf about your opinions about other peoples opinions. and i also though jack summed up thhe ae comparison nicely, im just not sure why 90% of the posts on here are from pricks. kevin karsh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-05-11 00:44Ron Jeremy--- kevin@independence.net : Well, i just signed up about a month ago and i can understand
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--- kevin@independence.net : Well, i just signed up about a month ago and i can understand why : people bitching and leaving.. so i thought i would write and complain : about it :) Thanks heaven you did Kevin! You are going to make a big difference around here! We have a complaint people...shape up!! : and i also though jack summed up thhe ae comparison nicely, im just : not sure why 90% of the posts on here are from pricks. Because 90% of on the list have pricks. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org