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(idm) Re: ZZ, Bowie

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1999-10-09 02:29Tom Millar (idm) Re: ZZ, Bowie
└─ 1999-10-09 06:54Hrvatski Re: (idm) Re: ZZ, Bowie
1999-10-09 16:03Sebastien Beaulieu Re: (idm) Re: ZZ, Bowie
1999-10-10 12:56Dave Walker Re: (idm) Re: ZZ, Bowie
1999-10-10 18:24Re: (idm) Re: ZZ, Bowie
1999-10-11 18:10Kelley Hackett RE: (idm) Re: ZZ, Bowie
└─ 1999-10-12 00:52solenoid RE: (idm) Re: ZZ, Bowie
1999-10-12 05:20wells RE: (idm) Re: ZZ, Bowie
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1999-10-09 02:29Tom MillarFirst of all, the constant barrage of complaints concerning lack of innovation on the part
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First of all, the constant barrage of complaints concerning lack of innovation on the part of this or that artist has gotten tiresome for the Nth time with me, and I'm sure a few others. Has anybody on this list invented any new forms of music lately? No. So hush already. Second, if people can talk for days on end about supposedly relevant post-rock bands that wouldn't know a funky beat if it gave them VD, then the rest of us can chat about ZZ Top. At least it's danceable, for Pete's sake. Third, Bowie may cop style from others, and Earthling may have been poo to a lot of ears out there, but he still makes an average of two or three keepers an album which is more than a great deal of our favorite artists do. If copping style from others is such a sin, then you've got a lot of work ahead of you- one hundred years of The Blues is lying out there waiting to be denounced as uninnovative copycat trash. Fourth and lastly, to whoever dissed the Rolling Stones- well, you can't always get what you want. Tom ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1
1999-10-09 06:54Hrvatski>First of all, the constant barrage of complaints concerning lack of innovation >on the pa
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quoted 4 lines First of all, the constant barrage of complaints concerning lack of innovation>First of all, the constant barrage of complaints concerning lack of innovation >on the part of this or that artist has gotten tiresome for the Nth time with >me, and I'm sure a few others. Has anybody on this list invented any new forms >of music lately? No. So hush already.
My $0.02 about the whole 9, re: recent 411. I downloaded the MP3 of the ZZ Top song in question ("Dreadmonboogaloo.mp3 ", thanks, BaPh...). It SAMPLES Autechre, no question in my mind. This is a bit different than the 'biting' mentioned earlier. Last time I checked, Billy Gibbons still had 3 Rolexes; Sean and Rob have none. They will soon... -Våt ____________________ Reckankreuzungsklankewerkzeuge PO BOX 382864. Cambridge, MA 02238 http://www.tiac.net/users/sheket/index.html
1999-10-09 16:03Sebastien Beaulieu>It SAMPLES Autechre, no question in my mind. > >This is a bit different than the 'biting'
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quoted 7 lines It SAMPLES Autechre, no question in my mind.>It SAMPLES Autechre, no question in my mind. > >This is a bit different than the 'biting' mentioned earlier. >Last time I checked, Billy Gibbons still had 3 Rolexes; >Sean and Rob have none. >They will soon... -Våt >
Just finished listening to it after I found it out on some FTP site. I have to agree with Vat. This is quite obvious after 1 listen, I didn't notice some little changes to make the difference between "legally inspired from" and blatant sample. If some Ae fans were upset after the Panacea sample, they will go crazy with that one. I certainly hope Warp/Ae will sue if the basis are there. Seb
1999-10-10 12:56Dave Walker> I certainly hope Warp/Ae will sue if > the basis are there. I don't suppose anyone, prio
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quoted 2 lines I certainly hope Warp/Ae will sue if> I certainly hope Warp/Ae will sue if > the basis are there.
I don't suppose anyone, prior to flying dramatically off the handle, has bothered to check whether the sample's been cleared. If Autechre had sampled ZZ Top, I wonder if the reaction here would be at all similar... -d.w. np: patricia barber - modern cool
1999-10-10 18:24Steve81778@aol.comwell, we have to factor in the "coolness" quotient no? steve << If Autechre had sampled ZZ
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well, we have to factor in the "coolness" quotient no? steve << If Autechre had sampled ZZ Top, I wonder if the reaction here would be at all similar... >>
1999-10-11 18:10Kelley HackettHa ha, ZZ top, U must be square dancing........ Doe-C-doe your partner fella! Hk! > -----O
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Ha ha, ZZ top, U must be square dancing........ Doe-C-doe your partner fella! Hk!
quoted 37 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Millar [SMTP:tmillar@usa.net] > Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 9:29 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: (idm) Re: ZZ, Bowie > > First of all, the constant barrage of complaints concerning lack of > innovation > on the part of this or that artist has gotten tiresome for the Nth time > with > me, and I'm sure a few others. Has anybody on this list invented any new > forms > of music lately? No. So hush already. > > Second, if people can talk for days on end about supposedly relevant > post-rock > bands that wouldn't know a funky beat if it gave them VD, then the rest of > us > can chat about ZZ Top. At least it's danceable, for Pete's sake. > > Third, Bowie may cop style from others, and Earthling may have been poo to > a > lot of ears out there, but he still makes an average of two or three > keepers > an album which is more than a great deal of our favorite artists do. If > copping style from others is such a sin, then you've got a lot of work > ahead > of you- one hundred years of The Blues is lying out there waiting to be > denounced as uninnovative copycat trash. > > Fourth and lastly, to whoever dissed the Rolling Stones- well, you can't > always get what you want. > > Tom > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1
1999-10-12 00:52solenoidA year or two ago, Like A Tim covered ZZTop's "Legs" ..with the vocals by the DMX Crew fem
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A year or two ago, Like A Tim covered ZZTop's "Legs" ..with the vocals by the DMX Crew female vocalist... it is pretty much a straight cover of the song with synths thru distortion pedals acting as the guitars. It mixes pretty well with digitalish electro that has that moroder pulse-16th note action... I've seen a friend (Pasta) mix ZZTop at a party (Legs or maybe Thug) and all the post rockers finally started dancing when the electro and Michael Jackson hadn't gotten them up.... ZZtop has been into superficial synthyness for quite a long time. Do you remember their cover of Viva Las Vegas? (Elvis made it famous) it is hard to spot the guitars at all in that one... I'd say that ZZTop is pretty clever at hybridizing some pop music stuffin the 80's and anyone who thinks they are just doing blues-rock doesn't have their ears on. Not that I think ZZTop have done anything remarkable, but if you are trying to explain an arpeggiator to a Hells Angel one day, just remember "Legs"... Solenoid On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Kelley Hackett wrote:
quoted 44 lines Ha ha, ZZ top, U must be square dancing........> Ha ha, ZZ top, U must be square dancing........ > > Doe-C-doe your partner fella! > > Hk! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Millar [SMTP:tmillar@usa.net] > > Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 9:29 PM > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > Subject: (idm) Re: ZZ, Bowie > > > > First of all, the constant barrage of complaints concerning lack of > > innovation > > on the part of this or that artist has gotten tiresome for the Nth time > > with > > me, and I'm sure a few others. Has anybody on this list invented any new > > forms > > of music lately? No. So hush already. > > > > Second, if people can talk for days on end about supposedly relevant > > post-rock > > bands that wouldn't know a funky beat if it gave them VD, then the rest of > > us > > can chat about ZZ Top. At least it's danceable, for Pete's sake. > > > > Third, Bowie may cop style from others, and Earthling may have been poo to > > a > > lot of ears out there, but he still makes an average of two or three > > keepers > > an album which is more than a great deal of our favorite artists do. If > > copping style from others is such a sin, then you've got a lot of work > > ahead > > of you- one hundred years of The Blues is lying out there waiting to be > > denounced as uninnovative copycat trash. > > > > Fourth and lastly, to whoever dissed the Rolling Stones- well, you can't > > always get what you want. > > > > Tom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 >
1999-10-12 05:20wellsAt 05:52 PM 10/11/99 -0700, solenoid wrote: > > >I'd say that ZZTop is pretty clever at hy
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At 05:52 PM 10/11/99 -0700, solenoid wrote:
quoted 10 lines I'd say that ZZTop is pretty clever at hybridizing some pop music stuffin> > >I'd say that ZZTop is pretty clever at hybridizing some pop music stuffin >the 80's and anyone who thinks they are just doing blues-rock doesn't have >their ears on. Not that I think ZZTop have done anything remarkable, but >if you are trying to explain an arpeggiator to a Hells Angel one day, >just remember "Legs"... > >Solenoid >
I've been struggling since I was a young, young lad to forget "Legs", so no thanks. - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu " The game lasts 90 minutes. The ball is round. This much is fact. Evertything else is just theory."