IDM Mailing Archive

At 09:39 AM 9/25/99 +0100, Wenger wrote:

quoted 4 lines Can I just ask, what with all this furore about the "lost" BOC records

>Can I just ask, what with all this furore about the "lost" BOC records >(Hooper bay, play by numbers, acid memories) has anyone actually stopped and >thought that this could all be just a marketing ruse on the part of >Warp....BOC having a new album out soonish and all that.

why is this so hard to believe? they are essentially demo tapes. probably half the tapes are still lying on the floor in the offices of random record labels (probably even warp!) or worse in their garbage cans and the rest were probably given out to friends who either forgot about them or just didn't care in the first place... you don't think RDJ or autechre put together demo tapes? just when BoC decide to list them on their website then rabid trainspotters start flipping out.

quoted 2 lines It does seem very

>It does seem very >strange that these releases have only just surfaced now, dontchathink?

no. i think it's a fair assumption that most of these records weren't sold in stores and those that were never left scotland. acid memories is ten years old and probably limited to like a dozen hand made copies.

quoted 2 lines I mean they must rank alongside AFX's Q-Chastic 7" (has anyone ever seen

>I mean they must rank alongside AFX's Q-Chastic 7" (has anyone ever seen >that?)

btw, what ever happend to the dude that was auctioning q-chastic here? who won?

quoted 3 lines Surely what

>Surely what >with all the informed DJs/record hunters/label owners etc etc someone would >have spotted or found these by now?

don't lie to yourself. most people on the list get their rare records from the internet or a few select stores. i doubt too many people would have the masks if it weren't for the work of pj@s://kimo and stu@4th world (now diskono)..

quoted 2 lines I had my doubts about Legofeet until Lance's

>I had my doubts about Legofeet until Lance's >auction a while back.

i used to have a lego feet. it exists.

quoted 4 lines It just seems to me that because IDM fans are some of

>It just seems to me that because IDM fans are some of >the most fervent "spotters" in musicville, there are some scrupulous people >out there willing to exploit that (namely BOC site owner..) and build up >fever pitch excitement on a few "unobtainable" releases.

yeah, i'm sure that he made up the track times and catalog numbers just to get some internet suckers to buy more current music. explain to me again what the BOC site owner would have to gain from doing this? this is the same guy who personally dug up copies of 'twoism' to sell to list members. maybe BOC are giving him a cut of these huge profits they're pulling in ;-) maybe 10 years from now IDM-ers'll be like 'that damn skamography, i can't belive they're making up this mask series.. who would belive that bullshit? they just want me to buy the new Ska-42 12"'. i sure hope so ;-) np; outkast- 'liberation'

no. i think it's a fair assumption that most of these records weren't sold in stores and those that were never left scotland. acid memories is ten years old and probably limited to like a dozen hand made copies. On the "Hooper Bay" 12"... Until 1999 NOBODY mentioned this existed, it didn't appear in any official discographies, etc. Suddenly it appears, tracklisting, limited to 200 copies, etc. Somebody would've known about a copy. IDM may be a pretentious worldwide cabal, but it is a cabal nonetheless. Re: Q-Chastic This is a fake. No way a record goes hidden from everybody for seven years. PLUS there is no real way to tell if they don't just press them now and claim they came out seven years ago. Not hard.

quoted 4 lines don't lie to yourself. most people on the list get their rare records from

> don't lie to yourself. most people on the list get their rare records from > the internet or a few select stores. i doubt too many people would have > the masks if it weren't for the work of pj@s://kimo and stu@4th world (now > diskono)..

These are the same people who the original poster references.

quoted 5 lines yeah, i'm sure that he made up the track times and catalog numbers just to

> yeah, i'm sure that he made up the track times and catalog numbers just to > get some internet suckers to buy more current music. explain to me again > what the BOC site owner would have to gain from doing this? this is the > same guy who personally dug up copies of 'twoism' to sell to list members. > maybe BOC are giving him a cut of these huge profits they're pulling in ;-)

Hey, somebody sell me a copy of Twoism, I'm Scottish. But... Creating a phantom record is easy. Boards of Canada: Skylark 01. Song of the Hills (4.56) 02. Algorhythm (7.02) 03. Zanzibar (5.24) 04. Rorschach (9.11) Limited to five 12"s. What would he gain from this? Hey, this whole scene is scenester music made by isolated individuals who in general seem intentionally obtuse and obscure. It might be gloating as some suggested or just strange humor. Another note on these being potentially fake releases is the Cosmic Crofter's harsh denial of tape requests due to lack of time. I'm a full time student and a full time employee (I don't have a day with nothing to do) and I can make plenty of tapes. Time is no excuse for people who have time to make websites and post to mailing lists. Not caring is a much better and more realistic one. (however, an interesting aside: I was playing some IDM the other day and a friend's roommate [opera major, future Julliard grad student] commented [in very technical terminology that I probably can't replicate] favorably on Autechre but found our beloved Boards so droning and simplistic that he was shouting to turn it off) Regardless, it's irrelevant, but if I had to gamble I'd say the pre-Twoism 12" is a fake. It was Rollins who blasted people for believing everything they read, and for once, he might actually be right. B. Hardcore Trainspotter (which sucks)

At 01:28 PM 9/25/99 EDT, AeOtaku@aol.com wrote:

quoted 8 lines no. i think it's a fair assumption that most of these records weren't sold

> > no. i think it's a fair assumption that most of these records weren't sold > in stores and those that were never left scotland. acid memories is ten > years old and probably limited to like a dozen hand made copies. > >On the "Hooper Bay" 12"... >Until 1999 NOBODY mentioned this existed, it didn't appear in any official >discographies, etc. Suddenly it appears, tracklisting, limited to 200

copies,

quoted 1 line etc. Somebody would've known about a copy. IDM may be a pretentious

>etc. Somebody would've known about a copy. IDM may be a pretentious

worldwide

quoted 1 line cabal, but it is a cabal nonetheless.

>cabal, but it is a cabal nonetheless.

what official discographies? the cosmic crofter one was the only one and i was always under the impression that it was only semi-official (ie boc recognized it and got in touch about it but never actually were involved directly). it could be that BoC just e-mailed one day like 'oh yeah, we also put out this 12"' contrary to popular belief, semi-official websites are often more 'semi' than 'offical'. and for that matter, NOBODY mentioned Boc Maxima or Twoism before 1997 or whenever the BOC site went up. yet we now know Twoism does exist.

quoted 1 line Another note on these being potentially fake releases is the Cosmic

>Another note on these being potentially fake releases is the Cosmic

Crofter's

quoted 3 lines harsh denial of tape requests due to lack of time. I'm a full time student

>harsh denial of tape requests due to lack of time. I'm a full time student >and a full time employee (I don't have a day with nothing to do) and I can >make plenty of tapes.

the guy doesn't have any obligation to do more than he already has. i always get e-mails from people complaining about why i don't put up mas mp3s or whatever and the reason is- I DONT HAVE TO! y'all are lucky people like crofter actually take time to compile discographies and do websites!

quoted 3 lines Time is no excuse for people who have time to make

>Time is no excuse for people who have time to make >websites and post to mailing lists. Not caring is a much better and more >realistic one.

why should he care? really, he's doing everyone a favor and all he gets are stacks of e-mails asking him for more favors. and judging by the interest just on this list, it's probably than just a few tapes

quoted 2 lines Regardless, it's irrelevant, but if I had to gamble I'd say the pre-Twoism

>Regardless, it's irrelevant, but if I had to gamble I'd say the pre-Twoism >12" is a fake.

if it is then you guys are putting the blame on the wrong person, i'd say if it was made up mike and marcus were the ones doing so. i guess we'll see if/when the audio section goes up... later, andrew |http://multsanta.home.sprynet.com/

All this does it / doesn't it exist stuff... Continued requests for tracklisting... Extreme scarcity of artist information... Have you ever thought that idm is, to some extent, shrouding itself in mystery. If you ask me, this is probably quite a good thing: mystery does make the whole thing more fun. If you can't be bothered creating your own legend let other people do it for you: give people little enough information, and they'll make something up, which is bound to be more interesting than reality. This is how myths start... Greeks try to explain summer and winter, and come up with Persephone (excuse me if I'm inaccurate). A few slightly misleading / confusing facts thrown in give people something to work with, and then the constant argument about you that ensues keeps yr profile high. This is part of the reason for the effectiveness of the KLF- check out there FAQ to see the level of wierd shit that's talked about them. Occult writers do it too- Alistair Crowley is full of hints that he knows more than he's letting on, and he makes references to other books, some of which exist, then other books write about him, sometmes truthfully. Anyone trying to find out the truth about him (or, in the future, about idm) ends up with a lot of lies and a headache. I s'pose as well, that in a world like dance music, which is for the most part pretty faceless, there is something deeply appealing about all this mystery. It can be pretty funny too, if you don't take it too seriously. Anyhow, since I like it so much, here's my bit of intrigue... I recently saw an NME article about drill n bass, which was partially concerned with discovering the existance, or otherwise, of DJ Tiny Penis. Apart from a comment that he was 'involved at first, but pulled out early on', they say little about him (although I have seen some <dubious> references to him elsewhere. Who is(n't) he? Sorry about the overlong, meandering, inaccurate, badly written post, I'm knackered. Ta ta jorkens

AeOtaku@aol.com wrote:

quoted 2 lines Another note on these being potentially fake releases is the Cosmic Crofter's

> Another note on these being potentially fake releases is the Cosmic Crofter's > harsh denial of tape requests due to lack of time.

quoted 3 lines Time is no excuse for people who have time to make

>Time is no excuse for people who have time to make > websites and post to mailing lists. Not caring is a much better and more > realistic one.

I vote for "not wanting to deal with loony conspiracy theorists on IDM", personally. -d.w.

Do you still not find it strange though that no one has come out and said - "Oh yeah! Hooper Bay...I've got one of those" or "Yeah, I found one of those". You see, no matter how rare (100 copies....20 copies) one will surely always turn up. Like the guy who auctioned a Mask 200 on ebay recently.....no more proof of its existence needed. I collect Two Lone Swordsmen and Sabres remixes/releases (I can assure you there are loads) and one that was released in 98 has only just turned up, but it has turned up. A lucky find? Maybe but its there in existence. On a personal note if I had one of these records then I would want to tell people and share it with people, if its any good that is (a whole other argument...) But as I said, it seems to me to be one massive great scam. The whole BOC hype machine is building up nicely again, not only on these lists but in the music press too. When is their new album out again? As much as we want to believe otherwise, sales is probably the top target for a label such as Warp these days. If it is just a scam, its a top one....if not then I am sure there are other people on these lists that know so much more than me. Care to share?

quoted 1 line i guess we'll see if/when the audio section goes up...

> i guess we'll see if/when the audio section goes up...

I would scetptically suggest this would fall into the "if" category. If the guys there can't be arsed to make tapes for likeminded fans what hope of encoding the audi for the www? Two hopes..... Gv ----- Original Message ----- From: mtheuletant <multsanta@sprynet.com> To: <AeOtaku@aol.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: 25 September 1999 21:17 Subject: Re: (idm) BOC, the lost sessions....

quoted 3 lines At 01:28 PM 9/25/99 EDT, AeOtaku@aol.com wrote:

> At 01:28 PM 9/25/99 EDT, AeOtaku@aol.com wrote: > > > > no. i think it's a fair assumption that most of these records weren't

sold

quoted 5 lines in stores and those that were never left scotland. acid memories is ten

> > in stores and those that were never left scotland. acid memories is ten > > years old and probably limited to like a dozen hand made copies. > > > >On the "Hooper Bay" 12"... > >Until 1999 NOBODY mentioned this existed, it didn't appear in any officia

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quoted 20 lines discographies, etc. Suddenly it appears, tracklisting, limited to 200

> >discographies, etc. Suddenly it appears, tracklisting, limited to 200 > copies, > >etc. Somebody would've known about a copy. IDM may be a pretentious > worldwide > >cabal, but it is a cabal nonetheless. > > what official discographies? the cosmic crofter one was the only one and i > was always under the impression that it was only semi-official (ie boc > recognized it and got in touch about it but never actually were involved > directly). it could be that BoC just e-mailed one day like 'oh yeah, we > also put out this 12"' > contrary to popular belief, semi-official websites are often more 'semi' > than 'offical'. > > and for that matter, NOBODY mentioned Boc Maxima or Twoism before 1997 or > whenever the BOC site went up. yet we now know Twoism does exist. > > >Another note on these being potentially fake releases is the Cosmic > Crofter's > >harsh denial of tape requests due to lack of time. I'm a full time

student

quoted 1 line and a full time employee (I don't have a day with nothing to do) and I

> >and a full time employee (I don't have a day with nothing to do) and I

can

quoted 5 lines make plenty of tapes.

> >make plenty of tapes. > > the guy doesn't have any obligation to do more than he already has. i > always get e-mails from people complaining about why i don't put up mas > mp3s or whatever and the reason is- I DONT HAVE TO! y'all are lucky

people

quoted 7 lines like crofter actually take time to compile discographies and do websites!

> like crofter actually take time to compile discographies and do websites! > > >Time is no excuse for people who have time to make > >websites and post to mailing lists. Not caring is a much better and more > >realistic one. > > why should he care? really, he's doing everyone a favor and all he gets

are

quoted 4 lines stacks of e-mails asking him for more favors. and judging by the interest

> stacks of e-mails asking him for more favors. and judging by the interest > just on this list, it's probably than just a few tapes > > >Regardless, it's irrelevant, but if I had to gamble I'd say the

pre-Twoism

quoted 11 lines 12" is a fake.

> >12" is a fake. > > if it is then you guys are putting the blame on the wrong person, i'd say > if it was made up mike and marcus were the ones doing so. > > i guess we'll see if/when the audio section goes up... > > later, > andrew > |http://multsanta.home.sprynet.com/ >

quoted 5 lines I mean they must rank alongside AFX's Q-Chastic 7" (has anyone ever seen

>>I mean they must rank alongside AFX's Q-Chastic 7" (has anyone ever seen >>that?) > >btw, what ever happend to the dude that was auctioning q-chastic here? who >won?

Ehh, that would have been me. I didn't win an auction, though, being that the seller decided to pick a set price instead of auctioning it. I was just the first person to offer to buy it. I never sent any money or got the record, though. I was told for a long time to wait because the seller was selling it for a friend & couldn't get it from that friend yet (for reasons I won't go into here), but after many emails back & forth with the prospective buying date being pushed further & further back, I finally gave up on it. Marc Poirier