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I already posted a message similar to this one a few days ago but I tried to get cute with the subject and I'm guessing most people deleted it rather than read it. Besides the reasons that many people have already mentioned for liking BoC, one of the main attractions for me is the psychedelic effect and the subliminal messaging (yes, those chopped up voices you hear are actually saying something) To me it's always exciting when something new percolates up into my consciousness that I hadn't heard on a previous listen. The odd thing about the messages is that it seems as though many people, even when directed where to listen in the song, still are unable to distinguish anything. That makes it all the more entertaining for me. Secondly, I think there's a completely seperate factor about BoC listening that many people aren't in touch with. I hate to be that guy from Half Baked ("Have you ever seen Wizard of Oz... on WEED?") but according to, um, a friend, listening to BoC on LSD is a completely different experience. A true quote from a friend upon hearing BoC for the first time while tripping, "This music, it's... it's so..." and all I could respond was, "exactly" I understand completely the sentiments of the guy willing to pay $250 for BoC stuffs he hasn't been able to hear, becuase I went through a lot of trouble just to hear Twoism, Hi Scores, and the Skampler. Though I wouldn't shell out that much dough for even older stuff than Twoism, which IMO isn't nearly the same caliber as their later stuff, I would pay ridiculous amounts of money to see them live or for some of the videos they're rumored to have made/be making. I'm a college student in Iowa and part of me seriously considered attempting to get to that Warp show before I learned it was sold out. As it is 5 of us are taking a week out of school and driving to Cali. to see Autechre et al at Coachella. Anyways, for those of you who know what I'm talking about in terms of the subliminal side of BoC I'm curious as to whether other artists use similar subliminal triggering techniques in their music. pete

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Pete wrote:

quoted 5 lines Anyways, for those of you who know what I'm talking about in terms of the

> Anyways, for those of you who know what I'm talking about in terms of the > subliminal side of BoC I'm curious as to whether other artists use > similar subliminal triggering techniques in their music. > > pete

i heard that ricky martin uses some pretty wicked subliminal voices, but you have to be trippin' _balls_ to really get it. - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu " The only difference between suicide and martyrdom is press coverage. "

quoted 8 lines subliminal messaging (yes, those chopped up

> > subliminal messaging (yes, those chopped up > > voices you hear are actually saying something) > > i think it's been asked already, but no one answered, so: what do these > voices say? & how is the last song related to them? > > -- > david

The tracks "An Eagle in Your Mind", "Telephasic Workshop", and "Aquarius" all have drug references in them, with AEIYM seeming to be primarily pot oriented "didja smoke" "smoke pot" and "are you high?" as well as "are you tripping" just recently I'm pretty sure "do it" is in there several times as well. Telephasic to me seems primarily LSD oriented with "LSD" "what's your condition?" and "psychedelic remix" being the most discernable, though there is actually quite a lot in this track, some of which I have guesses at but also plenty I don't. I used to think track 6 was either about murder or rape with "whatcha gonna do?" "you know what" "get offa me!" as well as a few more I can't think of off the top of my head, in addition to the overall ominous tone. A friend thought where I heard "whatcha gonna do?" it sounded like there was another layer that said "why is everybody tripping?" Track 12 only has a few, but to me one is very easy to hear, "tripping" and "LSD" which to me is the neatest sound effect on the whole album. You know that last echoey sound that repeats something like 4 or 5 times, if you listen to it carefully you might notice that they've somehow layered LSD, at a couple different speeds to create what sounds like a tone essentially. Track 14 also has some minor stuff in it including "boards of canada" but there's also something that sounds like "I wancha, I wancha, I gotcha" in there as well. I accidentally deleted the post about the difference between subliminal and phasing so I don't have the exact wording, but I do agree to some extent as subliminal messaging would seemingly have more direct commands, as well as the fact that since it's something audio, and that one can be aware of, it's not entirely unconscious. On the other hand, most people still aren't aware of it, and even if I were to post the track time for specific words, some people on here still wouldn't hear it. Also, the research on subliminals is pretty inconclusive about it's efficacy, but one thing that has been found is that the trigger for a certain reaction may not work as a direct command. Supposedly when someone tried to test James Vicary's claim that flashing "drink coke" and "eat popcorn" resulted in a significant increase in sales, (this was later proved to be quite exaggerated), many of the new test subjects who were shown "buy popcorn" got thirsty and went and got a drink of water. pete

I've noticed this same "exaclty" response to quite a few things in my collection. Much of it may not be subliminal, per se, but it does trigger something deeper than what you experience on first, sober listen...offhand, I can think of: KLF - Chill Out (especially those Tuvan throat singers...wow) Namlook - Escape (disk 2 with that haunting little girl's voice) Tone Tales From Tomorrow Bola - Soup (especially deep and convoluted when you least expect it) Hrm...there are more but as I'm at work and can't look at my CDs, I can't think of anything else right now. Any suggestions for other powerful stuff for those...hrm...more parallel moments? Anyone? ---brian Pete wrote:

quoted 32 lines I already posted a message similar to this one a few days ago but I tried

> I already posted a message similar to this one a few days ago but I tried > to get cute with the subject and I'm guessing most people deleted it > rather than read it. Besides the reasons that many people have already > mentioned for liking BoC, one of the main attractions for me is the > psychedelic effect and the subliminal messaging (yes, those chopped up > voices you hear are actually saying something) To me it's always exciting > when something new percolates up into my consciousness that I hadn't > heard on a previous listen. The odd thing about the messages is that it > seems as though many people, even when directed where to listen in the > song, still are unable to distinguish anything. That makes it all the > more entertaining for me. Secondly, I think there's a completely seperate > factor about BoC listening that many people aren't in touch with. I hate > to be that guy from Half Baked ("Have you ever seen Wizard of Oz... on > WEED?") but according to, um, a friend, listening to BoC on LSD is a > completely different experience. A true quote from a friend upon hearing > BoC for the first time while tripping, "This music, it's... it's so..." > and all I could respond was, "exactly" I understand completely the > sentiments of the guy willing to pay $250 for BoC stuffs he hasn't been > able to hear, becuase I went through a lot of trouble just to hear > Twoism, Hi Scores, and the Skampler. Though I wouldn't shell out that > much dough for even older stuff than Twoism, which IMO isn't nearly the > same caliber as their later stuff, I would pay ridiculous amounts of > money to see them live or for some of the videos they're rumored to have > made/be making. I'm a college student in Iowa and part of me seriously > considered attempting to get to that Warp show before I learned it was > sold out. As it is 5 of us are taking a week out of school and driving to > Cali. to see Autechre et al at Coachella. > Anyways, for those of you who know what I'm talking about in terms of the > subliminal side of BoC I'm curious as to whether other artists use > similar subliminal triggering techniques in their music. > > pete

-- Save the whales. Collect the whole set. Trade them with your friends. Brian Gause Technical Writer Applications Division Oracle Corporation (650) 506-1311 bgause@us.oracle.com The statements and opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily represent those of Oracle Corporation.

'Orbus Terrarum' is the same way IMO.... I've listened to it possibly hundreds of times over the past years and still occasionally hear new things there.. It's all about your 'aural predjudices' at the time... and priorities you assign to each layer of sound. -Alistair White www.ire.org/~al np: emit ecaps On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Brian Gause wrote:

quoted 9 lines I've noticed this same "exaclty" response to quite a few things in my

> I've noticed this same "exaclty" response to quite a few things in my > collection. Much of it may not be subliminal, per se, but it does trigger > something deeper than what you experience on first, sober listen...offhand, I > can think of: > > KLF - Chill Out (especially those Tuvan throat singers...wow) > Namlook - Escape (disk 2 with that haunting little girl's voice) > Tone Tales From Tomorrow > Bola - Soup (especially deep and convoluted when you least expect it)

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Alistair White wrote:

quoted 4 lines 'Orbus Terrarum' is the same way IMO.... I've listened to it possibly

> 'Orbus Terrarum' is the same way IMO.... I've listened to it possibly > hundreds of times over the past years and still occasionally hear new > things there.. It's all about your 'aural predjudices' at the time... > and priorities you assign to each layer of sound.

bad speakers help, too. the old factory speakers from my car do a wonderful job of highlighting midrange parts buried in the mix. * #### a disturbance in a system. #### laerm. @voicenet.com ##:# it's only in uncertainty/that we're naked and alive icq:5562209

Alistair wrote:

quoted 5 lines 'Orbus Terrarum' is the same way IMO.... I've listened to it

> > 'Orbus Terrarum' is the same way IMO.... I've listened to it > possibly hundreds of times over the past years and still occasionally hear > new things there.. It's all about your 'aural predjudices' at the time... > and priorities you assign to each layer of sound.

Is that the album title, or is it Orbus - Terrarum, like Artist - Title? also, that's exactly the way BoC seems to be, because there are definitely snippets of sound especially in tracks 2 and 4 that I can tell are something, but that I'm just not picking up.

Anything has subliminal messages when you are tripping, or at least sounds completely different. If you actually make the effort to put in strange voice edits or sounds then it is going to do all sorts of things to your ears. Not difficult? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com