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Some of these are old but whatever. I acquired them all recently. Swell: Surgeon - Force and Form (tresor) Less bangy, more tribal and textured. Like giant pistons sorta. Clubby techno turned on its head. Fantastic. Way better than Balance (which I liked). If his records improve/get more unique at the rate they have been, in 2 albums he'll produce the second coming. fx randomiz - goflex (a-musik) I like it even more than Mouse on Mars - Instrumentals (well, except for Chromantic). Crunchier, tons of really odd noises, but still really playful and great. cristian vogel - specific momentific (mille plateaux) Like anthony child, vogel makes 4/4 techno that doesn't sound like anyone else. Hypnotic and dark (sometimes)... really odd. Not as good as some 12" tracks I've heard but really great on the overall. various - microscopic sound (caipirinha) all the usual beep/click/beep/click etc suspects (except pansonic... which i don't really understand). really, really odd (even if you listen to a couple of the people who appear). really, really good. the goem track is my fave, along with the digital one. some of the bass has to be heard to be believed - you can feel it more than you can hear it. trance inducing. black lung - uncomfortable questions for comfortable people (helix) really dark techno with a lot of BANG. Beepy. A few dronier bits ("the hive"). I'm pretty damn fond of it. Various Artists - 8,8.5,9 (fat cat) Not the remix one (not sure if I got the numbers right). Finally bought this, and it blows every other CR/BC record I've heard right out of the water. F'ing incredible. Especially 8. So different... so not normal... soooo nice. crashing waves of thick, reverbed textures that repeat in a very subtle and very missable way. friend who doesn't like much beyond whitney houston/shania twain/cher house remixes thought it was the coolest thing he'd ever heard. Third Eye Foundation - You Guys Kill Me (merge) Ok so I had this a while ago and then I lost it and I got a new one. It's absolutely mindshatteringly brilliant. His best ever (though not by much). Sorta swell but sorta not: Kit Clayton - repetition and nonsense (drop beat) total chain reaction/basic channel ripoff that isn't as good as the originals by a long shot but isn't too too bad. The first track sounds like the various artists 12" but not 1/10th as good. Unswell: That dumb new u-ziq record that is boring as hell. Same old same old... that awful carl craig innerzone orchestra record which is, well, awful. Really, really offensively awful. that lamb record with that annoying girl singing over what would otherwise be good tracks. ick. the new air record premiers symptomes which is lacking everything that made the first one so good. the last track is harder edged and funkier and a little better, but the rest is worthless. almost as bad as that comp of other source recording artists. Does anyone know who max kahlen is? I bought a 12" by him for a couple bucks on a whim. had a sticker talking about thomas brinkmann supported labels etc. haven't listened yet tho. --- the humble abbott arthur purvis set his hand hereto

On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Arthur Purvis wrote:

quoted 1 line Some of these are old but whatever. I acquired them all recently.

> Some of these are old but whatever. I acquired them all recently.

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quoted 3 lines that awful carl craig innerzone orchestra record which is, well, awful.

> > that awful carl craig innerzone orchestra record which is, well, awful. > Really, really offensively awful.

You know I thought the same thing when I first got it. I was like, what the hell is this? I had the innerzone orchestra remixes of bug in the bass bin (which were fantastic) but the album did not sound like those. Programmed is a difficult album to listen to. There isn't any messed up dsp effects or odd programming; it is just difficult. So the other day I finally sat down with it and played it out on my home stereo (instead of in my car). And I found myself liking it. In the end, the album is an enigma. It is jazz, it is techno, it is something else. But now it works for me. A difficult album with normal sounds. Lastly, the album had a lot of hype. I don't think it lives up to that but it is a nice attempt to fuse different genres. in short it is a grower... your mileage may (and will) vary... -daniel: Head Monkey: Mad Monkey Records: http://monkey.eliteware.com

d> On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Arthur Purvis wrote:

quoted 1 line Some of these are old but whatever. I acquired them all recently.

>> Some of these are old but whatever. I acquired them all recently.

d> <snip>

quoted 3 lines that awful carl craig innerzone orchestra record which is, well, awful.

>> >> that awful carl craig innerzone orchestra record which is, well, awful. >> Really, really offensively awful.

d> You know I thought the same thing when I first got it. I was like, what d> the hell is this? I had the innerzone orchestra remixes of bug in the d> bass bin (which were fantastic) but the album did not sound like those. d> Programmed is a difficult album to listen to. There isn't any messed up d> dsp effects or odd programming; it is just difficult. So the other day I d> finally sat down with it and played it out on my home stereo (instead of d> in my car). And I found myself liking it. In the end, the album is an d> enigma. It is jazz, it is techno, it is something else. But now it works d> for me. A difficult album with normal sounds. d> Lastly, the album had a lot of hype. I don't think it lives up to that d> but it is a nice attempt to fuse different genres. d> in short it is a grower... d> your mileage may (and will) vary... yeah...i thought it was boring...nothing to groove to... the only time people in the room took notice was when the chords from at les kicked in, or bug in the bassbin... everything else went unnoticed...

martin <martin.wood@advent-comm.co.uk> wrote:

quoted 6 lines yeah...i thought it was boring...nothing to groove to...

> yeah...i thought it was boring...nothing to groove to... > the only time people in the room took notice was when the chords from > at les kicked in, or bug in the bassbin... > everything else went unnoticed... > >

I think that was part of my initial problem. I expected a groove. It is Carl Craig and because of that you expect techno. It isn't that. A very bold move on his part. I think it will get the same criticisms, likes and dislikes that Tom Jenkinson gets on his "jazz" projects -daniel: Head Monkey: Mad Monkey Records: http://monkey.eliteware.com

quoted 4 lines I think that was part of my initial problem. I expected a groove. It is

> I think that was part of my initial problem. I expected a groove. It is > Carl Craig and because of that you expect techno. It isn't that. A very > bold move on his part. I think it will get the same criticisms, likes and > dislikes that Tom Jenkinson gets on his "jazz" projects

so what kind of jazz is it? is it more jenkinson or tobin? (remember that i wouldn't touch anything fusion with a ten foot pole.) -- david

quoted 4 lines I think that was part of my initial problem. I expected a groove. It is

>> I think that was part of my initial problem. I expected a groove. It is >> Carl Craig and because of that you expect techno. It isn't that. A very >> bold move on his part. I think it will get the same criticisms, likes and >> dislikes that Tom Jenkinson gets on his "jazz" projects

dt> so what kind of jazz is it? is it more jenkinson or tobin? (remember dt> that i wouldn't touch anything fusion with a ten foot pole.) dunno...but its not very good not really fusion, but not really jazz...all i can remember is jazz styled noodlings... dt> -- dt> david %

quoted 9 lines I think that was part of my initial problem. I expected a groove. It is

> > I think that was part of my initial problem. I expected a groove. It is > > Carl Craig and because of that you expect techno. It isn't that. A very > > bold move on his part. I think it will get the same criticisms, likes and > > dislikes that Tom Jenkinson gets on his "jazz" projects > > so what kind of jazz is it? is it more jenkinson or tobin? (remember > that i wouldn't touch anything fusion with a ten foot pole.) > > --

To my ears it is more fusion than anything else. But then again I am no expert when it comes to jazz. Just know what I like... -daniel

I wouldn't call it fusion, or at least it's not like TJ at all, not is it like Amon Tobin. Carl is definitely not trying to emulate Miles as some would accuse TJ of doing. Really the new Innerzone record is a one off; as Daniel put it it is a very bold move for Mr. Craig. The stuff is all over the place: some techo-ish strands, some more tradtional instruments stylings, some rap, really I haven't anything like it. A grower for sure... Nate On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, daniel wrote:

quoted 18 lines I think that was part of my initial problem. I expected a groove. It is

> > > I think that was part of my initial problem. I expected a groove. It is > > > Carl Craig and because of that you expect techno. It isn't that. A very > > > bold move on his part. I think it will get the same criticisms, likes and > > > dislikes that Tom Jenkinson gets on his "jazz" projects > > > > so what kind of jazz is it? is it more jenkinson or tobin? (remember > > that i wouldn't touch anything fusion with a ten foot pole.) > > > > -- > > > To my ears it is more fusion than anything else. But then again I am no > expert when it comes to jazz. Just know what I like... > > > -daniel > >