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1999-08-24 15:10JulesLewis (idm) Coltrane caveat
1999-08-24 15:40William VanLoo Re: (idm) Coltrane, chart
1999-08-25 09:51Drusca Re: (idm) Coltrane, chart
└─ 1999-08-25 22:11R. Lim Re: (idm) Coltrane, chart
1999-08-26 15:14Chris Schachte Re: (idm) Coltrane, chart
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1999-08-24 15:10JulesLewisgideon <gideon@catalystmedia.com> wrote : >> In terms of Coltrane's stuff... I dig "Africa
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gideon <gideon@catalystmedia.com> wrote :
quoted 2 lines In terms of Coltrane's stuff... I dig "Africa Brass">> In terms of Coltrane's stuff... I dig "Africa Brass" >> and "Crescent," but you can't really go wrong.
I hope no one goes out and buys Expression on the strength of this - I don't think Ogunde would make the ideal introduction to Coltrane! - j -
1999-08-24 15:40William VanLoo> I hope no one goes out and buys Expression on the strength > of this - I don't think Ogu
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quoted 3 lines I hope no one goes out and buys Expression on the strength> I hope no one goes out and buys Expression on the strength > of this - I don't think Ogunde would make the ideal > introduction to Coltrane!
I'd go for "Giant Steps" first - I'm biased because it was my first Coltrane album, but it's the one I always come back to. ObIDM: here's a chart for all you trainspotters out there. 8 that are blowing me back: Innerzone Orchestra - Programmed box set (Planet E/Talkin' Loud) Two Lone Swordsmen - Stay Down (Warp) Beth Orton - Central Reservation (Arista) Oval - Systemisch (Thrill Jockey) Tortoise - Millions now living will never die (Thrill Jockey) CSM - the way (Reel) Roots Manuva - Brand New Second Hand (Big Dada) Squarepusher - Iambic 5 Poetry (Warp) ObGiveProps: www.smallfish.co.uk - lots of great stuff, great staff, very helpful. Bill / dj marathon -- Sigma6 Interactive Media (a division of AppNet) / http://www.sigma6.com http://www.detroitpeoplemover.com
1999-08-25 09:51Drusca> > I hope no one goes out and buys Expression on the strength > > of this - I don't think
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quoted 6 lines I hope no one goes out and buys Expression on the strength> > I hope no one goes out and buys Expression on the strength > > of this - I don't think Ogunde would make the ideal > > introduction to Coltrane! > > I'd go for "Giant Steps" first - I'm biased because it was my first Coltrane > album, but it's the one I always come back to.
I think listening to Coltrane records from the different phases of his career (at least 4) is almost like listening to a different musician. I know plenty of people who only care for his hard-bop stuff or only his free stuff, etc.. Whatever record you get will only be indicative of where he was at for 3-4 years. It might be best to check out a record from each phase. Maybe: Thelonious Monk with John Coltrane Giant Steps A Love Supreme or the Live At The Village Vanguard set Sun Ship - this is really a transitional record between the modal & free periods, but it's probably my favorite Coltrane record so I couldn't resist. Interstellar Space Cheers, Andrei
1999-08-25 22:11R. LimCan't argue with Andrei's list; you could probably even pare it down to Sun Ship (by far m
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Can't argue with Andrei's list; you could probably even pare it down to Sun Ship (by far my favorite) and Giant Steps (pinnacle of his "in" material). _Blue Train_ is also really great, but more of an anomaly due its hard boppish feel. I personally think that Sun Ship is great precisely because of its transitional nature- he can fall back quite naturally on Jones/Garrison/Tyner, in a way that he couldn't depend on his future quintet (+/-). Contemporaneous recordings of The Quartet's swan song in the summer of '65 are also amazing, including the great 2LPs of Coltrane Live in Paris (their Mingus at Antibes, featuring Jimmy Garrison's most brilliant recorded solo). The first _Village Vanguard_ set (collected in a nice, compact 4CD box, unlike the heinous Urban Outfitters nightmare classic quartet box that followed) is also transitional and at times brilliant. Certainly, the presence of Eric Dolphy makes it a must for any fan of the early 60s jazz vanguard- remember, Cecil and Ornette would be hard-pressed to come up with anything remotely as powerful at the time. _Interstellar Space_ was also marking a change in Trane's tide; it was basically his last album (subsequent material has been reissued in the past decade) and were duets with Rashied Ali. Gone was the overtly transcendent ecstatic vibe (c.f. Om and Ascension possibly the most notorious recordings- this era is not included in Andrei's list probably because they just simply were not as good as his previous peaks; if I had to pick one of 'em for inclusion, it'd probably be _Live in Seattle_)- this is one serious, inwardly-bound improv record, whose significance (and relevance) is most likely still under-estimated. I never did get whipped into a frenzy by a Love Supreme (the only one of his Impulse records to find a spot in the hearts of AOR fans worldwide). -rob
1999-08-26 15:14Chris Schachte"R. Lim" <rlim@escape.com> wrote: >I never did get whipped into a frenzy by a Love Supreme
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"R. Lim" <rlim@escape.com> wrote:
quoted 2 lines I never did get whipped into a frenzy by a Love Supreme (the only one of>I never did get whipped into a frenzy by a Love Supreme (the only one of >his Impulse records to find a spot in the hearts of AOR fans worldwide).
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