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On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 Fr=EDmann_Freyr_Bj=F6rnsson? agonized:

quoted 4 lines I?m just listening to Mouse On Mars?s Bib, and I think I got goose-bumps

> I?m just listening to Mouse On Mars?s Bib, and I think I got goose-bumps > on my dick........anyway, I have two albums by Mouse On Mars, Iaora > Tahiti and Audioditacker, and just love?em both. So are there any other > good Mouse On Mars releases out there?

Glam is very nice. Has some nice crunchy moments, with the trademark MoM blip, click, and bleep weirdness thrown in everywhere else. Flows real nice too. pilb. .`-). | ; christopher miller o o' evil@digital.net = ' on: Nonplace Urban Field - "NUF"

quoted 8 lines Glam is very nice. Has some nice crunchy moments, with the trademark

>> Glam is very nice. Has some nice crunchy moments, with the trademark >> MoM blip, click, and bleep weirdness thrown in everywhere else. Flows real >> nice too. > > >I think glam is my favorite album by mom. Closely followed by >instrumentals. If the original poster is into the more experimental side >of mom they should check out Werner's side project, lithops.

the original poster should be aware that iaora tahiti and autoditacker are quite different from glam and the lithops material. the too pure albums are a bit more dubby, less experimental, obvious. glam, instrumentals, and the lithops stuff is way more introspective and out-there. eric onnow: blectum from blechdom radio show (cdr)

On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, eric hill wrote:

quoted 6 lines the original poster should be aware that iaora tahiti and autoditacker are

> > the original poster should be aware that iaora tahiti and autoditacker are > quite different from glam and the lithops material. the too pure albums > are a bit more dubby, less experimental, obvious. glam, instrumentals, and > the lithops stuff is way more introspective and out-there. >

good point. Mom is strange band to me. I really was not into their music until I heard instrumentals and when I heard Lithops it really floored me. But if your into their earlier tracks then one should aproach these items cautiously. on another note, has anyone heard the newish surgeon album - force and form? Thoughts? -daniel

On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, daniel wrote:

quoted 2 lines on another note, has anyone heard the newish surgeon album - force and

> on another note, has anyone heard the newish surgeon album - force and > form? Thoughts?

I picked this up mainly due to the obvious Coil homage (the album title was the name of Coil's first label, and all of the track titles are related to Coil in some way), and I was really impressed by it. I can hear an underlying influence of the early industrial stuff that Child admits to being a fan of (Coil, CabVolt, TG, etc.), but on top of that is some simply great minimal techno grooves. I dig it. Greg

On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Christopher Miller wrote:

quoted 4 lines Glam is very nice. Has some nice crunchy moments, with the trademark

> Glam is very nice. Has some nice crunchy moments, with the trademark > MoM blip, click, and bleep weirdness thrown in everywhere else. Flows real > nice too. >

is this available on CD for under $25 yet? - wells

On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, wells wrote:

quoted 3 lines Glam is very nice.

> > Glam is very nice. > > is this available on CD for under $25 yet?

Ah ok... I was wondering about this one. I was borrowing a friend's and it was a Japanese release. I don't know much about MoM, but from what you're saying I'm assuming it's a Japanese-only deal, hm? malg. .`-). | ; christopher miller o o' evil@digital.net = ' on: Metic - "Sixto Novaton"

On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Christopher Miller wrote:

quoted 10 lines On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, wells wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, wells wrote: > > > > Glam is very nice. > > > > is this available on CD for under $25 yet? > > Ah ok... I was wondering about this one. I was borrowing a friend's > and it was a Japanese release. I don't know much about MoM, but from what > you're saying I'm assuming it's a Japanese-only deal, hm? >

Yeah, that's what I think. The record is great, but $25 is a lot when one is po'. - wells

Were any other big MoM fans as disappointed as I was by the Distroia EP? One of the things I've always loved about Mouse on Mars is that there's a real warmth to their sound even when they get way abstract (e.g. Glam), but Distroia's just as cold, digital, and glitchy as all that other crap you guys listen to. (just kidding, kinda) I hope this isn't their new direction. -d.w.

On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Dave Walker wrote:

quoted 5 lines ....

> .... > but Distroia's just as cold, digital, and > glitchy as all that other crap you guys > listen to. (just kidding, kinda) >

You know, I fail to see the attraction of clicks and pops, especially the 'skipping CD' sound that is so prevalent in the Oval tracks. I do CD mastering and some of these guys are making tracks entirely out of the sounds that I go to great lengths to keep out of music! Not to say that there isn't a place for this stuff, but hey guys -- if Pole or Oval has done it, it's been done -- no need for YOU to do it. Find some other way to make your point.

At 12:17 PM 8/5/99 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 8 lines Were any other big MoM fans as disappointed as

>Were any other big MoM fans as disappointed as >I was by the Distroia EP? One of the things >I've always loved about Mouse on Mars >is that there's a real warmth to their sound >even when they get way abstract (e.g. Glam), >but Distroia's just as cold, digital, and >glitchy as all that other crap you guys >listen to. (just kidding, kinda)

Dave, you're not a long. I'm a big MoM fan but I was disappointed with Distoria too. Their Pickly Dred Rhizzorns ep on Thrill Jockey/Sonig a little better but still nowhere near as good as Glam or the Lithops stuff. It will be interesting to hear where their sound goes from here. -->-Lance--- mclance@nacs.net lance@inaudible.com p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states

quoted 2 lines I do CD mastering and some of these guys are making tracks entirely

> I do CD mastering and some of these guys are making tracks entirely > out of the sounds that I go to great lengths to keep out of music!

Beautiful, isn't it? I'm sure all of you, even those (lance :) who buy tons of music every month, get especially attached to certain albums. For me lately, it's been these 3: Beth Orton - Central Reservation Soul Coughing - El Oso Oval - Systemisch Systemisch is just killing me. I've listened to it so much lately, and every time it keeps rewarding me. It was superb listening on a train ride from Detroit to Montreal, it's great going-to-bed music, and equally good for at-work music. I find it to be so warm and organic that it's odd to see people not "get it". This is not to say that those of you who dislike Oval are less-educated listeners or any crap like that, just that it's stricken me so dramatically from the moment I got it. Maybe my ears and mind were just primed to go into that direction (disclaimer: I love Pole, too). Tracks 1 and 6 are especially gorgeous; 1's clicks and deep bass really do it for me, and the rising, optimistic melody of track 6 is lovely (plus the Aphex SawII-ish pads work great, too). Just my opinion, take it for what it's worth to you. Cheers, Bill -- Sigma6 Interactive Media (a division of AppNet) / http://www.sigma6.com http://www.detroitpeoplemover.com

At 12:36 PM 8/5/99 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 17 lines I do CD mastering and some of these guys are making tracks entirely

> > I do CD mastering and some of these guys are making tracks entirely > > out of the sounds that I go to great lengths to keep out of music! > >I'm sure all of you, even those (lance :) who buy tons of music every month, >get especially attached to certain albums. For me lately, it's been these 3: > >Oval - Systemisch >Systemisch is just killing me. I've listened to it so much lately, and every >time it keeps rewarding me. It was superb listening on a train ride from >Detroit to Montreal, it's great going-to-bed music, and equally good for >at-work music. > >I find it to be so warm and organic that it's odd to see people not "get it". >This is not to say that those of you who dislike Oval are less-educated >listeners or any crap like that, just that it's stricken me so dramatically >from the moment I got it. Maybe my ears and mind were just primed to go into >that direction (disclaimer: I love Pole, too).

Yes when you go through a lot of music every month there are a few gems that sparkle a little more than the others - Oval's Systemisch and 94 Diskont have always sparkled for me (especially the bonus remix 12" that only comes with the vinyl verions of 94 Diskont). I'll agree that pops, clicks, skips, and glitches arent for everybody. But for me those little distoritions are the perfection of imperfection. : ) -->-Lance--- mclance@nacs.net lance@inaudible.com p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states

The funny thing is that I _really_ like Oval. _Systemisch_ was probably my most-listened-to disc the year it came out. I don't know if there's a technical explanation for it (cooler software? some top secret vaccuum tube device?), but Markus Popp seems to get some extra iota of emotion out of the glitches and skips and stuff that a lot of these other guys just can't touch. I like Pole, too, but that's an entirely different school of "glitch." What I can't seem to get into is all this crunch/clang/skip by numbers stuff. Bores me shitless, actually. -d.w. who'll be called out as an official "out of touch oldfart from Detroit" soon, I can just feel it coming... William VanLoo wrote:

quoted 9 lines Systemisch is just killing me. I've listened to it so much lately, and every

> Systemisch is just killing me. I've listened to it so much lately, and every > time it keeps rewarding me. It was superb listening on a train ride from > Detroit to Montreal, it's great going-to-bed music, and equally good for > at-work music. > > I find it to be so warm and organic that it's odd to see people not "get it". > This is not to say that those of you who dislike Oval are less-educated > listeners or any crap like that, just that it's stricken me so dramatically > from the moment I got it.

"cold, digital, and twitchy"....sort of like saying picasso is "angular, wierd, and ugly".

quoted 19 lines From: Dave Walker <marmoset@mich.com>

>From: Dave Walker <marmoset@mich.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: (idm) Re: Mouse On Mars >Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:17:39 -0400 > >Were any other big MoM fans as disappointed as >I was by the Distroia EP? One of the things >I've always loved about Mouse on Mars >is that there's a real warmth to their sound >even when they get way abstract (e.g. Glam), >but Distroia's just as cold, digital, and >glitchy as all that other crap you guys >listen to. (just kidding, kinda) > >I hope this isn't their new direction. > > -d.w. > >

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quoted 2 lines Were any other big MoM fans as disappointed as

> Were any other big MoM fans as disappointed as > I was by the Distroia EP?

Not at all. I think it's one of the best records of the year so far and it's got some of the most advanced tracks MoM has done. I don't find it "cold, digital, and glitchy" at all. It's a very rich and multi-textured sounding record, just as bubbly and crunchy as anything else they've done. I think along with Windowlicker (2nd track) and the Super_Collider album it features some of the most creative use of DSP software I've heard done within a non-abstract context (basically outside of the Mego camp). Drusca

christopher shivers wrote:

quoted 2 lines "cold, digital, and twitchy"....sort of like saying picasso is "angular,

> "cold, digital, and twitchy"....sort of like saying picasso is "angular, > wierd, and ugly".

I hate it when short quotes are taken out of context, especially when they're not accurate. I like twitchy, but am bored by glitchy. Just so there's no misunderstandings, my displeasure was with one of my favorite bands (MoM) descending into the Ninth Circle of Hell (DSP plugin fuckery) Here's hoping they come out alive. I'm just hoping that the novelty will wear off with the currently in-vogue DSP techniques and that people will start to do something more creative with them, rather than just iterating the "cuisinart" filter or whatever over sections of their tracks. -d.w. "Picasso was a hero to most / but he never meant shit to me"

At 06:40 AM 8/6/99 -0400, Dave Walker wrote:

quoted 6 lines Just so there's no misunderstandings, my displeasure was

> >Just so there's no misunderstandings, my displeasure was >with one of my favorite bands (MoM) descending into >the Ninth Circle of Hell (DSP plugin fuckery) Here's >hoping they come out alive. >

okay okay, i give up. what's the DSP plugin? - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu

wells wrote:

quoted 1 line okay okay, i give up. what's the DSP plugin?

> okay okay, i give up. what's the DSP plugin?

If you've ever used Photoshop (or a similar program) for graphics, you've used the various plugins for sharpening, blurring, distorting, whatever the pixels on screen. Lots of audio software these days (ProTools, for example) allows you to, in a similar fashion, do transformations on recorded audio. DSP stands for Digital Signal Processing. Remember all those horrible CD covers that were basically photos that someone's little sister had taken, with about a dozen Photoshop filters applied haphazardly to them? Remember after a while that people came to their senses and realized that this stuff wasn't really impressing anyone who'd ever sat down in front of a photo editing application for a couple of minutes? Welcome to a big chunk of IDM in 1999. -d.w.

quoted 5 lines music wise, i find it other step in mom wonderful development. i pulled

>music wise, i find it other step in mom wonderful development. i pulled >out vuvlaland the other day and while i still like it, they are lightyears >beyond that. dsp hackery to be sure, but in a wonderful warm and playful >way. i see this record be very successful crossing bountries. it is >fucked up and twisted, but yet accessible and fun.

yes! finally someone is using the somewhat played out 'blunt DSP in your face' route to go somewhere new and a bit different. it's not my favorite of their material but there are some key moments on the new album.. buy it! noah

quoted 2 lines hello IDM mouse on mars really interesting high attention to detail

> hello IDM mouse on mars really interesting high attention to detail > other artists who are as good as them?

i recommend you person to check out freeform, bisk, atom heart and related projects, matmos, phthalocyanine-navy warship, and some others i can't remember right now; they are on this track you are speaking of. good night chris colongib. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org