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quoted 4 lines if they knew (warp & nothing) that the special process that enabled

> if they knew (warp & nothing) that the special process that enabled > people to hear the track was not possible for cd's made in the usa, > why did they bother to do it in the first place? couldnt they have > just not bothered ?

actually, what i _am_ bothered with is the fact that _this process has been patented in the first place_. now, what are they going to do next? perhaps patent the process of CROSSING THE STREET or BREATHING? idiot lawyers. -- david

quoted 10 lines if they knew (warp & nothing) that the special process that enabled

> > if they knew (warp & nothing) that the special process that enabled > > people to hear the track was not possible for cd's made in the usa, > > why did they bother to do it in the first place? couldnt they have > > just not bothered ? > > actually, what i _am_ bothered with is the fact that _this process has > been patented in the first place_. now, what are they going to do > next? perhaps patent the process of CROSSING THE STREET or BREATHING? > > idiot lawyers.

I recall somebody trying to patent it a while back, but giving up when prior art was discovered. To my knowledge, the first album to do this is _Initiation_ by Course of Empire. To my knowledge, this process is NOT patented. I am perfectly open to being wrong if someone can back it up with more information.

quoted 14 lines From: idm-owner@hyperreal.org [mailto:idm-owner@hyperreal.org]On Behalf

> From: idm-owner@hyperreal.org [mailto:idm-owner@hyperreal.org]On Behalf > Of Andrew Hime > > > > actually, what i _am_ bothered with is the fact that _this process has > > been patented in the first place_. now, what are they going to do > > next? perhaps patent the process of CROSSING THE STREET or BREATHING? > > > > idiot lawyers. > > I recall somebody trying to patent it a while back, but giving up when > prior art was discovered. To my knowledge, the first album to do this is > _Initiation_ by Course of Empire. To my knowledge, this process is NOT > patented. I am perfectly open to being wrong if someone can back it up > with more information.

Here's some info from the archives: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:32:11 -0800 To: idm@hyperreal.org From: Bobby Tribble <rtribble@rigel.oac.uci.edu> Subject: Re: (idm) hidden/bonus tracks... This is a list I got off some newspaper article about strangely pressed CDs, many of which have negative seconds before the first track. I added a few more at the end... Better Than Ezra, Friction Baby, live French song, track 1, -3:22 Cracker, Kerosene Hat, 99 tracks, songs at 69, 88, 99 Dramarama, Vinyl, 99 tracks, "Stevie's Here" spread over tracks 16-99 Galactic Cowboys, Space in Your Face, 32 tracks, 10-31 silent, songs at track 21 -5:21, 32 Willie Nelson, Moonlight Becomes Her, Willie explaining the record track 1- They Might Be Giants, Factory Showroom, "Tokan Back to Brooklyn" track 1, -1:03 V/A, Songs in the Key of X, three songs before track one (or, Nick Cave track?) V/A, Twisted Willie, Johnny Cach and Waylon Jennings talking about Willie Nelson, track 1- ELO, Face the Music "collector's edition", snippet of track one played backward, track 1- Information Society "Hack", track is actually sound of modem transaction - story - According to what I read, if you play this CD into an old style "put up to the phone" analog type modem, a story will type out... how odd, huh? T.Power, Self Evident Truth, big track in - - Before the last track (not listed on the CD, by the way) is a bunch of negative seconds with some crazy sounds, a bunch of samples not really coming together into any kind of rhythm or harmony. FWIW - Bobby From: "Danny Wyatt" <danny@arbitrary.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org>, "Bobby Tribble" <rtribble@rigel.oac.uci.edu> Subject: OT: Re: (idm) hidden/bonus tracks... Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:58:52 -0500 From: Bobby Tribble <rtribble@rigel.oac.uci.edu>

quoted 4 lines Willie Nelson, Moonlight Becomes Her, Willie explaining

>Willie Nelson, Moonlight Becomes Her, Willie explaining >the record track 1- >V/A, Twisted Willie, Johnny Cach and Waylon Jennings >talking about Willie Nelson, track 1-

Both of these are on Justice Records, out of Houston. I seem to remember reading (when I lived in Houston) that Justice had invented and patented the "track negative one" (not negative time) mastering trick. "Moonlight Becomes Her" was the first CD to use it and they were talking tough about people trying to steal the technique. Their website (www.justicerecords.com) says nothing about it, though. So, I could be all wrong about this. Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:07:58 -0600 From: Rodney Perkins <rdperkins@earthlink.net> Subject: Willie Nelson and Grooverider (Re: OT: Re: (idm) hidden/bonus tracks...) To: Danny Wyatt <danny@arbitrary.com>, idm@hyperreal.org, Bobby Tribble <rtribble@rigel.oac.uci.edu> You are correct that Justice came up with this idea and tried to push it as some new "standard." I would assume nobody cared and they forgot about it. A friend of mine has a copy of that Twisted Willie disc so I might take a listen to the hidden track (and thats it). On a *somewhat* similar note, if you hit the "Time/Text" button on any of the newer Sony component CD players while playing a Sony CD, the track titles will appear in the window display. Tried it with the latest Grooverider disc and it does work. Its a nice little feature that should become more common. Of course, this also suggests that these Sony discs are some sort of hybrid format with a small segment of computer data on them.

quoted 10 lines I recall somebody trying to patent it a while back, but giving up when

> > I recall somebody trying to patent it a while back, but giving up when > > prior art was discovered. To my knowledge, the first album to do this is > > _Initiation_ by Course of Empire. To my knowledge, this process is NOT > > patented. I am perfectly open to being wrong if someone can back it up > > with more information. > > just as a clarification: i was saying that because that's what greg at > warp gave as an excuse (cf. a previous message on idm-l). i suppose > both nothing & warp have the lawyers who know the do's & don't's of any > recording venture so-as-to-not-get-sued-up-the-ass.

Nothing's pretty small - I'd venture that they don't.

quoted 5 lines I recall somebody trying to patent it a while back, but giving up when

> I recall somebody trying to patent it a while back, but giving up when > prior art was discovered. To my knowledge, the first album to do this is > _Initiation_ by Course of Empire. To my knowledge, this process is NOT > patented. I am perfectly open to being wrong if someone can back it up > with more information.

i was poking around at: http://www.patents.ibm.com/ and found nothing about that patent. the closest thing i found was http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US04884152__ but still that's pretty damn useless... i couldn't find the patent we're looking for, so im guessing there is no patent, considering it's supposed to be a "complete database for patents between 1971 - present" ahh, so if there is no patent, then why didn't we get the extra track? i bought the import because i couldn't wait for the domestic, im just curious... and now that greg eden has even said it was due to a patent, now im really starting to wonder./.,/.,/.,/.,/., today's toner fact. :) this was on a xerox 9-350 (i hate xerox) AKA Xerox 5340 family problem: fault code appears at start up here's what you do: The sump is full and you can clean it, but make sure the flag is down.Also after that you need to reset the NVM values in the bias. Enter bias and go to DC131 and to MC/set and reset page 5 to zero, next go to DC 120 Fault File and reset pages 6,7,8,9 to zero even if it says zero. Turn machine on and off. oh, and don't forget to leave a mint in the document feeder... get the new mr. bungle album. now. fresh lychees win!! -kiya i am a copier. we are not all copiers.