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quoted 4 lines Timbaland has already solved the problem in a

>Timbaland has already solved the problem in a >much more satisfactory way. I haven't heard it myself, but my friend >tells me that on his latest Ginuwine instrumental, he samples Nitzer Ebb, >Caberet Voltaire and Godzilla. And it's a hit single. I mean, hot damn!

amen, brother! sc

nitzer ebb? cabaret voltaire ? sounds interesting.. n e 1 got any more info on this? what are the samples? martin

quoted 4 lines Timbaland has already solved the problem in a

>>Timbaland has already solved the problem in a >>much more satisfactory way. I haven't heard it myself, but my friend >>tells me that on his latest Ginuwine instrumental, he samples Nitzer Ebb, >>Caberet Voltaire and Godzilla. And it's a hit single. I mean, hot damn!

SC> amen, brother! SC> sc %

quoted 3 lines nitzer ebb? cabaret voltaire ?

>nitzer ebb? cabaret voltaire ? >sounds interesting.. >n e 1 got any more info on this? what are the samples?

i can't say i'm familiar enough with the nitzers or the cabs to say to provide an air-tight response, but the only ginuwine hit with a godzilla sample is called "what's so different," and it's on his album (ginuwine's, that is). eric

quoted 16 lines martin

> >martin > >>>Timbaland has already solved the problem in a >>>much more satisfactory way. I haven't heard it myself, but my friend >>>tells me that on his latest Ginuwine instrumental, he samples Nitzer Ebb, >>>Caberet Voltaire and Godzilla. And it's a hit single. I mean, hot damn! > >SC> amen, brother! > >SC> sc > >% > > >

At 09:55 AM 7/12/99 -0700, eric hill wrote:

quoted 3 lines i can't say i'm familiar enough with the nitzers or the cabs to say to

>i can't say i'm familiar enough with the nitzers or the cabs to say to >provide an air-tight response, but the only ginuwine hit with a godzilla >sample is called "what's so different,"

yes!! that's the video with the rhythmic meat/butchers... ginuwine is waaay ahead of vvm ;-) anyone know who directed that? didn't catch the godzilla or any of those samples

quoted 2 lines and it's on his album (ginuwine's,

>and it's on his album (ginuwine's, >that is).

btw, that's on Ginuwine's SECOND album, just to clarify. oh, and everyone check for danja mowf and mad skillz (both of the Supafriendz..), who are signed to Gold Mine (Missy's label) and Z-Man (Timb's label), respectivly, and they're actually (gasp!) TALENTED MCS!... which means there'll actually be a listenable timbaland track (insturmentals excused), as long as he keeps his excessive 'uh-huh', 'yeahs' off of it...

quoted 2 lines oh, and everyone check for danja mowf and mad skillz (both of the

>oh, and everyone check for danja mowf and mad skillz (both of the >Supafriendz..)

whoops, if anyone cares, that came out wrong, it should have been both ARE Supafriendz, which is the crew of the two of them, Lonnie B, and maybe some others, check www.flavatown.com

On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, eric hill wrote:

quoted 8 lines nitzer ebb? cabaret voltaire ?

> >nitzer ebb? cabaret voltaire ? > >sounds interesting.. > >n e 1 got any more info on this? what are the samples? > > i can't say i'm familiar enough with the nitzers or the cabs to say to > provide an air-tight response, but the only ginuwine hit with a godzilla > sample is called "what's so different," and it's on his album (ginuwine's, > that is).

NB: The NE/CV samples might only be on the instrumental b-side to the single. But I haven't heard either version, so I'm just going on what my friend told me. Anyway, the instrumental allows you to avoid Ginuwine entirely (I've gotten to the point where I can endure some female r&b, but most male stuff still completely throws me. Except for No Diggity, but that's the exception which proves the rule), which is only to the good. Sam

If I made a track that sampled Ae, Aphex and SQP and made it into a pop hit, would I get similar cred among you guys? I mean, really. Who gives a shit? I like The Police, doesn't mean I think Puffy deserves any recognition beyond that of your average poser. What has Timbaland done that's so deserving of respect besides take IDM and techno-like structures and use them as hip-hop wallpaper? If he had to make his way like most folks, with simple instrumentals, we'd be calling him another Ae clone at worst and a one-trick pony at best. Pass me the Schematics, please. Tom

quoted 9 lines If I made a track that sampled Ae, Aphex and SQP and made it into a pop

> If I made a track that sampled Ae, Aphex and SQP and made it into a pop > hit, would I get similar cred among you guys? I mean, really. Who gives > a shit? I like The Police, doesn't mean I think Puffy deserves any > recognition beyond that of your average poser. What has Timbaland done > that's so deserving of respect besides take IDM and techno-like > structures and use them as hip-hop wallpaper? If he had to make his way > like most folks, with simple instrumentals, we'd be calling him another > Ae clone at worst and a one-trick pony at best. > Pass me the Schematics, please.

It's all about what you do with what you sample. Timbaland takes Bjork's strings, a baby's rattle and cry, and turns it into a freaky jam (see "Hit em wit da hee remix"). Puffy takes The Police, loops 4 bars for the whole track and makes a multi-million dollar Hype Williams video to accompany it. Big deal. Pass me the Timbaland. He's one of the most innovative producers this decade. Witness all the beat-jacking that he's endured. I can't wait to see his revenge upon those who choose to jack his style. I'm guessing it'll be somewhere between Oval and drum-n-bass with the funk of Virginia in the mix. See the comments in the Rolling Stone (or was it Vibe?) article about Missy Elliott, discussing Timbaland's new "skipping-record" style of sampling (like a "I needchhh...I needchhhhhhh....I need your looooove" sort of thing). Bottom line, Timbaland is innovative and funky. Puffy, in general, is just a multi-platinum beat-jacker. However, his tracks are funky at times (I don't give a damn, some of the Notorious B.I.G. tracks are dope, and "It's all about the benjamins" guitar loop was great.) Bill / dj marathon -- Sigma6 Interactive Media (a division of AppNet) / http://www.sigma6.com theorem - sutekh - intermodal - carlos souffront july 23 - io coffeeshop, detroit www.start.at/io/