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1999-07-09 17:20Re: (idm) re: exp. time sigs
└─ 1999-07-09 18:14John Bush (idm) time sigs/Subotnick
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1999-07-09 17:20Echophoria@aol.comIn a message dated 7/9/99 12:39:02 PM EDT, philip@Ask.com writes: > my problem with 3/4: >
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In a message dated 7/9/99 12:39:02 PM EDT, philip@Ask.com writes:
quoted 2 lines my problem with 3/4:> my problem with 3/4: > it never fails to remind me of waltzes.
quoted 1 line i hate waltzes.>i hate waltzes.
there's very little "true" 3/4 outside of Classical music. most of the 3/4/waltz-time that you hear in pop or dance is really 6/12. if you listen, the phrasing isn't classic waltz (ONE-two-three; ONE-two-three). it's more like: ONE-two-three-four-five-six-SEVEN-eight-nine-ten-eleven-twelve. there's a big difference. even the few waltzy pieces that surface (like some early Cocteau Twins numbers or Chapterhouse's "Then We'll Rise") are really in 6/12. i'd challenge anyone to come up with an example of 'new' music in true 3/4. mr. e. np: people like us - hate people like us (soleilmoon)
1999-07-09 18:14John Bush> there's very little "true" 3/4 outside of Classical music. Don't have much knowledge of
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quoted 1 line there's very little "true" 3/4 outside of Classical music.> there's very little "true" 3/4 outside of Classical music.
Don't have much knowledge of (or use for) time signatures, but I always thought it kinda cool that many music instructors have used "Friends" by the Beach Boys to teach the waltz -- dunno if it's true 3/4 though.
quoted 1 line Silver Apples is available with another album...>Silver Apples is available with another album...
Aside from the pioneering angles of his work, Subotnick has always seemed a bit too academic to me. I can respect his work, but I can't really enjoy it... It's not strictly synthesizer music, but I'd recommend Tod Dockstader, a tape manipulator from the early '60s who produced the most proto-IDM-sounding music I've heard (minus the beats), some of which was used in "Fellini Satyricon". Check out "Apocalypse" or "Quatermass" on Starkland, both of which were easily available until just recently... (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?UID=1:10:50|PM&p=amg&sql=B5932) .John.