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1999-07-08 11:43matthew d salcidomaybe this question has been discussed before but not since ive been on the list so im goi

From:: matthew d salcido <mattsalcido@juno.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 07:43:49 EDT
Subject:: (idm) listening bias?

maybe this question has been discussed before but not since ive been on the list so im going to ask it. first some background info on how this question popped into my head. a while back my friend sort of got me interested in georgio moroder (sp?) and played me some stuff i really liked. since then ive been looking for stuff by him to pick up but havent really found any. tonight i sat down with some friends to watch the movie "cat people" and while i was reading the back of the movie box, i noticed georgio moroder had done the music for the film. first i thought great but as i listened to the music through out the flick i began to wish i didnt know it was him so that i could listen without bias... so what im asking is: do you find that when you listen to music, knowing who has written it, do you have a bias (good or bad) ? often times when my friend and i listen to music we will play stuff with out telling the other what it is so that we can hear it without attaching any pre or post conceived notions.... anyone else? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Opening minds buzz with formless thoughts, their impulses expertly channeled through recharged ganglia. They whip through synaptic clefts like invincible joyriders crashing the last red lights before the open highways. Long, straight, empty nerves carry them effortlessly to destinations where smooth muscles scoop them up and outwards without hesitation." --doug hawes ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

1999-07-08 15:47! & the Quaternions> a while back my friend sort of got me interested in georgio moroder > (sp?) and played m

From:: ! & the Quaternions <samuel.frank@yale.edu>
To:: matthew d salcido <mattsalcido@juno.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:47:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) listening bias?
Reply to:: (idm) listening bias?

quoted 3 lines a while back my friend sort of got me interested in georgio moroder

> a while back my friend sort of got me interested in georgio moroder > (sp?) and played me some stuff i really liked. since then ive been > looking for stuff by him to pick up but havent really found any.

Not to answer your real question, but regarding Moroder, his album From Here to Eternity, which I believe is from his heyday in the 70s, is still in print. www.othermusic.com has copies, and I'm sure it's around elsewhere too. SAM!!!

1999-07-09 08:21Irene McCOn 8 Jul 99, matthew d salcido wrote re: (idm) listening bias?: > so what im asking is: do

From:: Irene McC <substar@iafrica.com>
To:: <mattsalcido@juno.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:21:00 +0200
Subject:: Re: (idm) listening bias?
Reply to:: (idm) listening bias?

On 8 Jul 99, matthew d salcido wrote re: (idm) listening bias?:

quoted 2 lines so what im asking is: do you find that when you listen to music,

> so what im asking is: do you find that when you listen to music, > knowing who has written it, do you have a bias (good or bad) ?

Oh yes, absolutely. The "worst" is listening to any music / soundtrack with Tully, my husband, who immediately spots the instruments that anything has been created on, mumbles about presets, whether it's a new or old model Roland / Korg / Alessis / etc. etc. etc. which really detracts from my experiece.

quoted 3 lines often times when my friend and i listen to music we will play stuff

> often times when my friend and i listen to music we will play stuff > with out telling the other what it is so that we can hear it without > attaching any pre or post conceived notions....

We try to, but generally can't hold out longer than the first few bars :-) I *

1999-07-09 14:40Jeff Davis <pHlow>On Thu, 08 Jul 1999 07:43:49 EDT, matthew d salcido <mattsalcido@juno.com> said: >maybe th

From:: Jeff Davis <pHlow> <pHlow@earthlink.net>
To:: matthew d salcido <mattsalcido@juno.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 14:40:06 GMT
Subject:: Re: (idm) listening bias?
Reply to:: (idm) listening bias?

On Thu, 08 Jul 1999 07:43:49 EDT, matthew d salcido <mattsalcido@juno.com> said:

quoted 15 lines maybe this question has been discussed before but not since ive been on

>maybe this question has been discussed before but not since ive been on >the list so im going to ask it. first some background info on how this >question popped into my head. > > a while back my friend sort of got me interested in georgio moroder >(sp?) and played me some stuff i really liked. since then ive been >looking for stuff by him to pick up but havent really found any. >tonight i sat down with some friends to watch the movie "cat people" and >while i was reading the back of the movie box, i noticed georgio moroder >had done the music for the film. first i thought great but as i listened >to the music through out the flick i began to wish i didnt know it was >him so that i could listen without bias... so what im asking is: do >you find that when you listen to music, knowing who has written it, do >you have a bias (good or bad) ? >

i think the advent of the internet and highly opinionated bias-inducing lists such as this one have really accellerated this phenomenon/problem. even though supposedly most of us are independent adults with our own concepts of what we like and don't like, it's sometimes difficult to initially "beleive" our own judgements on new music after we've read 10+ message threads all agreeing that "this sucks" or " this is mind-blowing". It's weird, but somehow the views of 10 people you never have and probably never will personally meet hold a lot of weight in the opinion forming arena. not to say that collaborative tools such as the net have obsoleted individual thought, but it can make it easier to fall into the collective opinion. however, repeated listening at the apex of one's own private sound system will usually peel off the emperor's new clothes. the truth will set you free. NP: bochum welt: live in london peeeeeeeeeece, -- Jeff Davis pHlow@earthlink.net fn:216.533.6303 fx:216.266.2310 text:2165336303@mobile.att.net pHlow.linx: home.earthlink.net/~phlow/ Bochum Welt: www.bochumwelt.com Rotator Locator: hyperreal.org/music/rotator/

1999-07-09 15:49~\(\({\[Endemic~Distortion\]}\)\)~Good thoughts, all. I always take note of what is being discussed, but it's more like a "I

From:: ~\(\({\[Endemic~Distortion\]}\)\)~ <jpklein@flash.net>
To:: <pHlow@earthlink.net>
Cc:: matthew d salcido <mattsalcido@juno.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:49:49 -0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) listening bias?

Good thoughts, all. I always take note of what is being discussed, but it's more like a "I recognize this/that name as something discussed on IDM" unless I see a pile of things about it. Overall, I use what I see here as sort of a list of possibles. And I have to say that a friend of mine and myself have been shopping on more than one occasion and bought something because " *everyone* on IDM hates this and it's prolly good" :-) jeff "Jeff Davis " wrote:

quoted 7 lines it's sometimes difficult to

> it's sometimes difficult to > initially "beleive" our own judgements on new music after we've read 10+ > message threads all agreeing that "this sucks" or " this is mind-blowing". > It's weird, but somehow the views of 10 people you never have and probably > never will personally meet hold a lot of weight in the opinion forming > arena. >

-- jeff "10,000 people all screaming the same thing at the same time are wrong, even if they're right." dancing/about/architecture "...with wandering steps and slow..." ICQ904008

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