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1999-07-07 19:09ADM (idm) "Jazzy" DnB, []pusher, etc...
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1999-07-07 20:10david turgeon Re: (idm) "Jazzy" DnB, []pusher, etc...
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1999-07-07 19:09ADMHello, For those of you who are looking for an album pushing the limits of the cross-polin
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Hello, For those of you who are looking for an album pushing the limits of the cross-polination of DnB and Jazz aesthetics, I'd like to suggest Ponga's self-titled album that came out recently. Instrumentation consists of saxaphone, keyboards, samplers and Bobby Previte laying down some impressive DnB beats (not quite as impressive as some stuff I've seen him do live though). This album should satisfy those of you complaining about the jazzy-electronic music subgenre not going anywhere new. Its all improvised and recorded live with no overdubs. Anyone who listens to Critters Buggin (whose sax player Skerik can be heard on Ponga) has some sort of an idea of what to expect, but the addition of Wayne Horvitz on keyboards gives it an extra jazzy kick in the pants. One song in particular reminds me of some of Horvitz's organ trio type dabblings. Anyway, pick up this album and see the band live if you have the chance. This is the kind of direction I hope we'll eventually see a lot of great improvisers possibly go. Anyway, I was also gonna mention some thing about the distinctions between fusion and free jazz and whatnot pertaining to TJ and Clifford Gilberto, but I think I might have lost what I was trying to say. Here goes: I'd consider "Music is" to be a combination of some fusion, funk, and a lot of free improv with a lot of sonic experimentation for good measure. No one can deny that its a pretty incredibly dynamic album, but to say "'music is rotted one note' is unmistakably fusion jazz." doesn't settle with me. Can we say that the live Miles Davis albums from the seventies are strictly fusion? Have a listen to Dark Magus. This album, to me, while taking much from rock beats and fusiony sounds is predominantly a free jazz album. I'm by no means the be-all-end-all opinion, but when I think of fusion, the sounds I think of most are bands like Lifetime, Return To Forever, Weather Report, etc. All these bands usually have complex song structure in addition to harmonic structure. And while I think "Music is" is an amazing album, it doesn't exhibit much in the way of any sort of structure. Clifford Gilberto on the other hand at times seems even less fusiony than Tom. Some of his songs are more loungy/exotica while others just sound like cut-up jazz. Pigeonholing Gilberto to being a cheesy electronic fusion musician seems really limited. Let's save those labels for bands like Flanger, who by the way I actually like to some extent but, jesus christ! Some of the grooves on that album sound freshly ripped from the ominous "Chameleon" except with a piano soloist far inferior to Herbie. Anyway, I'm spitting this all at once and posting w/o proofreading, and I'm sure I'm wrong about plenty of things... so someone shoot me down if I am! -Aaron
1999-07-08 02:09Moonlight>I'd like to suggest >Ponga's self-titled album that came out recently. I haven't heard th
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quoted 2 lines I'd like to suggest>I'd like to suggest >Ponga's self-titled album that came out recently.
I haven't heard this, but a remix 12" of tracks from this is coming out soon. Remixers are Fila Brazillia, Amon Tobin, Spacetime Continuum, and Capsule 150. It looks like the title of it will be "AMONTOBINCAPSULE150FILABRAZILLIASPACETIMECONTINUUM PONGA REMIXES" I've put up some of the info and a minute-long RA file of the Fila Remix on my pork site. See sig for URL. And what i've heard of Clifford Gilberto sounds a lot like some stuff i've heard by squarepusher. But then, so does a lot of the Amon Tobin and Funki Porcini, as far as i can tell. _________________________________ Adam Roesch / roesch@augsburg.edu University of Idaho / Moscow / ID / USA Visit my Fila Brazillia/Pork Recordings fan site: http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/pork/ "Because success needs killing" TRICKY
1999-07-07 20:10david turgeon> No one can deny that its a pretty incredibly dynamic album, > but to say "'music is rott
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quoted 6 lines No one can deny that its a pretty incredibly dynamic album,> No one can deny that its a pretty incredibly dynamic album, > but to say "'music is rotted one note' is unmistakably fusion jazz." > doesn't settle with me. Can we say that the live Miles Davis albums > from the seventies are strictly fusion? Have a listen to Dark Magus. > This album, to me, while taking much from rock beats and fusiony sounds > is predominantly a free jazz album.
i'll admit that my dismissing of squarepusher's recent output as straight-out fusion jazz may be a limitative diss. i don't mean it's necessarily bad. i can probably like bits of it. what i _do_ know however is that it has the 'fusion' sound which i've heard in weather report & al records. then again i'm not too knowledgeable in fusion so there may be subtelties i'm not aware of that make 'music is...' not a fusion album. i just know i don't enjoy its sound very much, & at this point i'll reckon that it's but a mere matter of taste. however -- from what i've heard of 'music is rotted one note', it's simply not free jazz. at least none of the free jazz i've heard. maybe on some conceptual level jenkinson envisioned it as being free jazz, but -- urhm. it just doesn't sound like it in the end. free jazz for one is a lot more hermetic, whereas jenkinson's sound instead tends towards eclectism. perhaps the term 'free' in 'free jazz' isn't that exact because of that hermeticism? blame ornette coleman. :) anyway. those are my thoughts, but i realize they're quite futile at this point, so feel free to disregard this message & go on with your life. :) those who like squarepusher (yes, even you crtrdge!), feel free to happily continue liking it, & i'll happily continue liking the music i like. the things i say anyway are only opinions, even if i don't prefix every sentence with 'i think' or 'in my opinion'. -- david