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electro was the precursor of hip-hop, not a variant. dr dre made surgery before he made straight outta compton. ----Original Message---- Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:23:01 -0700 From: Moonlight <roesch@augsburg.edu> Subject: Re: (idm) Helen. Obviously, Autechre has a bit of hip-hop influence. Hip-hop is the current pop music, everything has either incorporated it in some sense, or entirely rejected it. Also, as hip-hop was the first successful electronically created music, all current electronicall created music (as almost all "IDM" short of Rotted One Note is) has that as influence. I'm just thinking here of all my CDs that might vaguely be "IDM" hiphop is more prevalent than dub and house influences. Jungle and Electro are variant on hiphop. Go from there. Hiphop permeates all modern sound in some form or another. Autechre may bury thier influence, but it's still there.

this subject can be fuzzed out pretty far afield, but sugarhill gang and treacherous three and cohorts were in full force (ar ar) well before planet rock came out. though these are widely considered to be rapping without hip-hop - they used disco grooves and leblanc/wimbish studio jams - flash's "on the wheels of steel" followed some time after, and "planet rock" generally signals the birth of both hip-hop and electro along the current of rap. they are coterminous. eric On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Joanisse, Robert wrote:

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>electro was the precursor of hip-hop, not a variant. dr dre made surgery >before he made straight outta compton.

evenin' all. eric, nice discussion on electro, hip hop and chronology. thanks for clearing up some debates. now, to start another: who can offer me a "canonical" electro album to take a listen to so i can nail down for myself what is electro and what is instead early hip hop ish? suggestions along the lines of "first electro album proper", "best compilation of tip top electro singles" or "peak album of electro in the day" (not revivalist) welcomed. reasoned debate allowed, name calling and attitude not alllowed. :) bonus round: who in the current IDM scene shows the most electro spirit, or influence, or what have you, so i can follow up my archaeology with some modern study. r o b np: digital underground "sex packets"

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> > eric > > On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Joanisse, Robert wrote: > > >electro was the precursor of hip-hop, not a variant. dr dre made surgery > >before he made straight outta compton. >

Yeah, I have that 1st Sugarhill rap lp from '79 and it says it is w/the full crew who later became the On-U Sound house band (Wimbish, le Blanc, you can even see Wimbish (I guess) on the inside photo) My related question is: I just got this 12" of "2 Fly" produced by Grand.Flash and on the Out____ Music Co____ (I forget, but eerily similar to "Outward Music Company"). ...So, does anyone know who 2-Fly is? It is from '81-'82 I think... sorry for the spotty memory... On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, eric hill wrote:

quoted 7 lines this subject can be fuzzed out pretty far afield, but sugarhill gang and

> this subject can be fuzzed out pretty far afield, but sugarhill gang and > treacherous three and cohorts were in full force (ar ar) well before > planet rock came out. though these are widely considered to be rapping > without hip-hop - they used disco grooves and leblanc/wimbish studio jams > - flash's "on the wheels of steel" followed some time after, and "planet > rock" generally signals the birth of both hip-hop and electro along the > current of rap. they are coterminous.

----------- Christalmighty,what the heck does 'coterminous' mean, Eric? You're sirtainly verbicious with wordage, Eric... learn that one in one of those red Netware books or was it some O'Reilly pinup centerfold chart? Solanoyd

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> eric > > On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Joanisse, Robert wrote: > > >electro was the precursor of hip-hop, not a variant. dr dre made surgery > >before he made straight outta compton. >

So, like, does anyone really know if that rapper's delight bassline was copied by Queen for "another one bites the dust" or was it somehow the other way around?... seems like Sugarhill was one year previous to the queen track. enquiring minds (mine) want to know (for a long time)... solenoid On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, eric hill wrote:

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> this subject can be fuzzed out pretty far afield, but sugarhill gang and > treacherous three and cohorts were in full force (ar ar) well before > planet rock came out. though these are widely considered to be rapping > without hip-hop - they used disco grooves and leblanc/wimbish studio jams > - flash's "on the wheels of steel" followed some time after, and "planet > rock" generally signals the birth of both hip-hop and electro along the > current of rap. they are coterminous. > > eric > > On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Joanisse, Robert wrote: > > >electro was the precursor of hip-hop, not a variant. dr dre made surgery > >before he made straight outta compton. >