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a couple people have recently posted that they're not down with sampling/samplers, and i know this debate has been beaten death in every corner of the civilized world, (has anyone seen the threads on the Akai list about this? christ almighty!) but i was looking for some clarification here... is this an across-the-board condemnation of the use of a sampler? i mean, that's what it sounds like when someone says "no sampling allowed." now i can understand (although i dont necessarily agree) when people say 'I think it's bullshit when a sample is used instead of the artist actually programming a real live synth' or 'I think it's bullshit when a beat is ripped directly out of a song, sampled, and used in a track straight-up, unmodified' and yeah, these are uncreative uses of a sampler, but is it against whatever sampling ethics are at work here when i take a sample of a kick drum, work it over in sound forge for an hour, repeat with a snare, hihat, etc, and load them all into my sampler, and sequence my own beat with these samples? or even stickier, if i take someone elses drum beat, recycle it, extract individual hits, fuck wtith them in sound forge, dsps filters etc, then load this kit into my sampler to make new beats with? eh? is there beef with this application of the sampler? sorry if this is convoluted, overdone, dead horse, etc. : |. RJCK-1 :: _agent -.| http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~nworth1 :

hello everyone... we live in a post-modern society. everything you do is referential and/or self-referential wether you like it or not. luv steve In a message dated 99-06-18 10:51:32 EDT, KIDWELL@tessco.com writes: << a couple people have recently posted that they're not down with sampling/samplers, and i know this debate has been beaten death in every corner of the civilized world, (has anyone seen the threads on the Akai list about this? christ almighty!) but i was looking for some clarification here... is this an across-the-board condemnation of the use of a sampler? i mean, that's what it sounds like when someone says "no sampling allowed." now i can understand (although i dont necessarily agree) when people say 'I think it's bullshit when a sample is used instead of the artist actually programming a real live synth' or 'I think it's bullshit when a beat is ripped directly out of a song, sampled, and used in a track straight-up, unmodified' and yeah, these are uncreative uses of a sampler, but is it against whatever sampling ethics are at work here when i take a sample of a kick drum, work it over in sound forge for an hour, repeat with a snare, hihat, etc, and load them all into my sampler, and sequence my own beat with these samples? or even stickier, if i take someone elses drum beat, recycle it, extract individual hits, fuck wtith them in sound forge, dsps filters etc, then load this kit into my sampler to make new beats with? eh? is there beef with this application of the sampler? sorry if this is convoluted, overdone, dead horse, etc. >>

The deal is I am somewhat addicted to this MP3 I found god knows where -- I believe it was simply on mp3.com -- and subsequent searches have failed to help me locate any information on it. From what I can tell, the artist is "C++" and the track is titled "V.ger." It's a zippy, upbeat affair, along the lines of Underworld's recent singles, but with even less of a house influence. Something akin to a muted cash-register chime keeps the beat. Resorting to those oh so helpful comparisons, I'd say it sounds as if the Talking Heads and Brian Eno recorded the Remain in Light album today, and decided to can the vocals. Thanks for any assistance. -Marc np: that track, of course