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2000-04-26 11:33Kelley HackettTypically, I dont care for D&B however, I must admit that the melodies contained in most D

From:: Kelley Hackett <khackett@aba.iupui.edu>
To:: 'idm@hyperreal.org' <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 06:33:29 -0500
Subject:: [idm] D&B, Lush Thru and Thru

Typically, I dont care for D&B however, I must admit that the melodies contained in most D&B recordings are lush. Anyone care to shed light or speculate regarding this constant phenomenon? Now I do have some one in mind here, so I hope they will respond to this too? Thanks! U-know-who! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-28 13:32John Bush> Anyone care to shed light or speculate > regarding this constant phenomenon? I've been g

From:: John Bush <johbus@allmusic.com>
To:: Kelley Hackett <khackett@aba.iupui.edu>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:32:17 -0400
Subject:: RE: [idm] D&B, Lush Thru and Thru
Reply to:: [idm] D&B, Lush Thru and Thru

quoted 2 lines Anyone care to shed light or speculate

> Anyone care to shed light or speculate > regarding this constant phenomenon?

I've been gone a few days, so I'm jumping into this kind of late... Maybe you are over-generalizing a bit Kelley, but there's definitely a pattern in Britain regarding the lusher side of drum'n'bass. It started in the mid-'70s with jazz-funk-lite and fusion -- i.e. Roy Ayers, Lonnie Liston Smith, etc. -- which was huge in Britain, then cycled through rare-groove in the '80s, and acid jazz in the '80s and '90s. I'm sure quite a few junglists listened to (or were indirectly exposed to) fusion, quiet storm, and the breezier side of jazz while they were growing up... .John. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2000-04-26 23:41Kelley HackettAre U kidden me Cutup? Okay let me give it a shot: Ladies and gentlemen, the song to which

From:: Kelley Hackett <khackett@aba.iupui.edu>
To:: 'cutup ' <cutup@andythepooh.com>
Cc:: 'idm@hyperreal.org' <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:41:51 -0500
Subject:: RE: [idm] D&B, Lush Thru and Thru

Are U kidden me Cutup? Okay let me give it a shot: Ladies and gentlemen, the song to which I refer, or I should say the song which spawned this entire ordeal is Mr. Ruoho's Track that is untitled (the last track on CDr #2)....this does have a D&B feel! Generalization, yes---but let me give you a few others besides the Plaid track, which again take on a D&B feel, IMO. JMJ & Flytronix, L.t.j. Bukem, PFM, Form Form, Photek, Seba & Lo-tec, yes off the L.t.j. Bukem Cd, Logical Progression. This is all the D&B that I have heard, and no I am not really into D&B as a whole. However, the songs which I have heard tend to display a lush feel. My apologies for the MOST comment, I can see that is what threw you off Cutup and my apologies for posting your comment back to the list. Now where were we! Hk! -----Original Message----- From: cutup To: Kelley Hackett Sent: 4/26/00 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [idm] D&B, Lush Thru and Thru I'm wondering what do you mean by saying that the melodies in most d&b recordings are lush? I listen to alot of drum and bass...pretty much everything that comes out, and i'm not sure what you mean. There's definitely a huge sub-genere of drum and bass, so-called "intelligent", which is all about layers of strings and melody. Then you have a whole range of stuff that uses strings and melody (usually in the bassline) to varying degrees, conveying a range of emotions...from the darker sci-fi atmospheres to beautiful oceanic ones. Then you have stuff that's pretty devoid of melody, just raw samples, beats and bass. Just wondering where you're generalization is coming from...its not totally wrong by any means, but i don't see it as such an absolute that it bears explanation. - cutups ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelley Hackett <khackett@aba.iupui.edu> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 7:33 AM Subject: [idm] D&B, Lush Thru and Thru

quoted 2 lines Typically, I dont care for D&B however, I must admit that the melodies

> Typically, I dont care for D&B however, I must admit that the melodies > contained in most D&B recordings are lush. Anyone care to shed light

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2000-04-27 13:43Andrew DukeKelley: I think (and as a few others have pointed out) you're generalizing here. You say t

From:: Andrew Duke <cognition@ns.sympatico.ca>
To:: Kelley Hackett <khackett@aba.iupui.edu>
Cc:: 'idm@hyperreal.org' <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:43:04 -0300
Subject:: Re: [idm] D&B, Lush Thru and Thru

Kelley: I think (and as a few others have pointed out) you're generalizing here. You say the melodies in "most" d n b recording are lush, but drum n bass, like IDM, techno, and other electronic music types, has a *huge* variety of sound(s). LTJ Bukem et al might focus on the "lush", but hear some drum n bass done by others in the UK and they ain't all following the "lush" Bukem sound. Listen to material on Germany's Position Chrome and that certainly ain't "lush". Hell, Panacea's abrasive textures are the complete opposite of "lush"! Ditto for others who do material in a drum n bass style (at times) that might be known on the list: Hrvatski, Kid 606, and many others. You might be confusing "lush" melodies with the gleam of the production? (Super smooth vs. raw) If you want to hear some super detailed production, listen to Source Direct, for example. The production, like Bukem's, is very concise, crisp, and clean--it shimmers--but Source Direct definitely ain't "lush". plug "drum n bass" into a search engine and you'll see that the "lush" sound is just one of many styles. You seem hyper- focused, Kelley, honing in on a few things and then generalizing that to a greater whole (often mistakenly and to your detriment). You've obviously got passion, but open up to the *variety* instead of narrowing things down to a small point. (Just friendly advice) Andrew Duke Kelley Hackett wrote:

quoted 14 lines Typically, I dont care for D&B however, I must admit that the melodies

> Typically, I dont care for D&B however, I must admit that the melodies > contained in most D&B recordings are lush. Anyone care to shed light or > speculate regarding this constant phenomenon? > > Now I do have some one in mind here, so I hope they will respond to this > too? > > Thanks! > > U-know-who! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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